Earthquake Again

FriendsInSpace

So are we ever going to fix this broken ass spell, or are we going to continue to let a single player fuck around every round?

trupheus

FriendsInSpace

At least last round I found out. Nothing like being a 2 castle 15k ks elf getting smacked by a big bad dwarf who was the fortunate recipient of the craziest castle passing scheme of all time.

And it’s only enabled this round because of changes made. It would have been a life saver if skigglez wasn’t able to hit me once I got below 50%.

Jules

A different take.

-Becomes a spell to be cast provincially, "group effort"
-Potency determined by either provincial school ratio/weighted contributor school ratio, + amount of combined wiz
-Hits a main target + 3 random after shocks to friends in the enemy prov
-Spell casting prov receives 3-5 random after shocks as the reflect.
-16 hour cooldown initiated by anyone in the prov with a 8 hour wizard staging?

Lord Thane

Jules wow, your idea for provincial level spells just blew my mind 🤯 Someone in the chat came up with an idea for provincial based techs that got me thinking too. I'm working on a package of ideas to make provincial play highly valuable, think I'll add this spell one to the pot, maybe this weekend I'll have time to post everything for discussion 💪

skigglez

Seems overly complicated and there’s far too many other things to address before we start diving into province spell casts. Not that it’s a bad idea, but there’s a ton of broken shit right now.

Blahblah

sigh I can't believe I'm going to say this but, ......I agree with Skigglez. Goes off to take a shower

skigglez

Still don't think EQ is fixed after the magic changes. I was about 100k KS and caster was mid 60s I believe at time of casting. I have 3.5 schools per land with 43k wizards and it still did the full 15% of my buildings. If offensive magic is capped at 2.5 schools and there's supposed to be scaling reduction of effectiveness as the target grows in KS relative to the caster, how is it possible to do the max in this scenario? I know Thane did tests on Fireball and it seemed to work as intended, but this proves that there's still something off with EQ. I don't care that the EQ went through, but given the number of schools I'm running along with KS differential it should have factored a little bit into how many buildings were destroyed (especially considering he did 3 separate casts before one was successful). The coding has to be incorrect somewhere, or if this is how EQ is intended to be after the changes I would like to hear how you are supposed to be able to defend against it.

On October 22, 2025
xxxx cast Earthquake on you, destroying 596 of your buildings.
On October 22, 2025
xxxx attempted Earthquake on you, but it misfired and damaged their own holdings.
On October 22, 2025
xxxx attempted Earthquake on you, but it misfired and damaged their own holdings.

Zones

skigglez youve been casting freeze on me for days while 3x my size, you have 0 room to complain.

trupheus

For the record, I'm not the maniac this time.

This does appear to show that FB was impacted by the changes and EQ was not.

I'm curious what the results would be if the same kingdom tried FB instead of EQ.

Lord Thane

trupheus we don't know that at all,. Before the changes you could hit max damaged barely casting 2:1 wiz. Now the caster failed twice, we don't know if they just tried with too few wiz or got caught by the chance. Maybe they lowballed the first two attempts, then on the 3rd went full send with like 30k wiz or something. Need lots more data before any conclusions could be had.

Edit: there's a chance multiplier that rolls a 300 sided dice that can play a big roll in damages too. This could potentially have just been a crit hit. Need more info like how many wizards were used to cast and their school ratio.

skigglez

Lord Thane Thought school ratio was capped at 2.5 for offensive spells? If I'm at 3.5 and 43k wizards (while also being 40k KS larger than the caster), how is it possible to hit me with the max? If a Fireball doesn't go through on me, should an EQ be able to? If it's possible, then there's clearly something still wrong with how EQ functions because that's just dumb. I don't think I've actually seen an EQ land this round yet that wasn't the full 15% of buildings destroyed.

I give you permission to create a test account that's 60k KS and toss fireballs at me with an escalating number of wizards to see what happens.

trupheus

Lord Thane

They're capped at 2.5:1 schools no matter what. How many wiz would it take to EQ a kingdom roughly twice your size that has schools and wiz? Just doesn't seem like it should even be possible. It's like saying a 100 land kingdom with 2.5 GH per land is going to break a 200 land kingdom with 2.5 GH per land.

skigglez

Zones I'm not complaining, I'm asking for verification that the changes correctly impacted EQ. The evidence I have points to no, hence the post.

Zones

skigglez you are complaining because you can't do anything about it.
just as I can't do anything about you hiding in pro passing castles with matron camile and casting stuff on me.

Lord Thane

I'll run some EQ tests tomorrow to see what it's doing. There's been lots of EQ that were under the 15%, and even directly on the limits needing just 0.01% more damage to give protections - we had to figure that out from support tickets asking why they didn't get protection for them.

As far as the damages go, it's a separate calculation from the success calc, maybe it has that ksratio turbo booster that I had to disable in the main success engine, I'll take a look at that tomorrow too.

skigglez

Zones No, actually I'm trying to make sure that the game mechanics function correctly - for everyone. I could just ignore what I find and try and abuse it for my own gain, but I have the ability to think about things outside of what's impacting my own kingdom. It's funny because you are actually the one that is complaining, while adding zero value to the discussion.

Zones

skigglez you are literally just abusing game mechanics to hide in protection 24/7 lol

skigglez

Zones And so is everyone else who has passed a castle this round, what's your point? There's discussions on how to address that issue which I have contributed to. How does that tie into the topic of whether or not EQ is functioning correctly? Again - all you're doing is complaining about something unrelated and adding zero value to the discussion. Save the stupid comments for global chat, that's a more appropriate place.

Zones

skigglez nah dog. you are just complaining about things while abusing the game. as usual.

trupheus

if you want to bitch at someone because you don't like what they're doing, do it via KM. quit posting things that are just complaining about how someone plays. notice how these were all EQs done to him? if people don't bring these things up nothing gets changed. sorry we're vocal about trying to get thardferr in a spot that's a little better. you're welcome to contribute.

If you don't like freeze, go support the hell out of my idea that it should give a retal.

skigglez

Zones Lol ok dude. I'm going to stop responding to your complaints about things unrelated to the topic because it's just flooding the forum with useless shit and derailing the discussion.

Lord Thane

Zones to his credit he did have his ally send the EQs to test, so that's pretty fair. I like truphy's idea to push for freeze retal. I don't personally think it's powerful enough to warrant a retal, but maybe there's something else that would be a good equalizer, maybe give a new spell that bounces the next spell cast on that kingdom, then you can buy that spell from elves, then bounce the freezes back to skigglez lol