Knights and "charge" strategy.

MithicYort

Suddenly wondering if knight ranged attack, melee attack, or both are multiplied by 1.5 with this strategy. Does anyone know?

Lord Thane

Yes the knight gets a short range and melee multiplier, and defense is reduced -25%.

Lord Thane

Charge strat seems to be working correctly, some tests:

100k knights v 100k knights
no strat v no strat = WIN
We managed to kill : 83993 Knight 0 Infantry 0 Pikeman 0 Heavy Infantry 0 Archer 0 Mounted Archers
But we lost : 77814 Knight 0 Infantry 0 Pikeman 0 Heavy Infantry 0 Archer 0 Mounted Archers

no strat v charge strat = WIN
We managed to kill : 100000 Knight 0 Infantry 0 Pikeman 0 Heavy Infantry 0 Archer 0 Mounted Archers
But we lost : 81840 Knight 0 Infantry 0 Pikeman 0 Heavy Infantry 0 Archer 0 Mounted Archers

charge strat v charge strat = LOSE
We managed to kill : 94450 Knight 0 Infantry 0 Pikeman 0 Heavy Infantry 0 Archer 0 Mounted Archers
But we lost : 95065 Knight 0 Infantry 0 Pikeman 0 Heavy Infantry 0 Archer 0 Mounted Archers

charge strat v no strat = LOSE
We managed to kill : 64930 Knight 0 Infantry 0 Pikeman 0 Heavy Infantry 0 Archer 0 Mounted Archers
But we lost : 100000 Knight 0 Infantry 0 Pikeman 0 Heavy Infantry 0 Archer 0 Mounted Archers

In this scenario it appears the Charge strat's boost to offense isn't enough to overcome the detriment of their -25% defense, so the strat actually works against them badly. A 100% equal force will get zeroed out if using the strat on just one side - with the side using it getting the L, when compared against no strat.

The scenario where charge would be useful is against melee-heavy armies, or when you know you have an overwhelming force.

Lord Thane

So far in tests, all strats seem to be working as expected. This is more of Charge strats against Pike:

100k knights v 100k pike
no strats
But we lost : 20554 Knight

charge strat v no strat
But we lost : 29068 Knight

no strat v anti-cav strat
But we lost : 25392 Knight

charge strat v anti-cav strat
But we lost : 39463 Knight

No strat vs no strat is the baseline.
Charge helps kill but causes higher self-losses.
Anti-Cav boosts pikemen appropriately.
Charge + Anti-Cav together = knight nightmare.

Jules

Lord Thane

Ever wonder why being mounted is purely a detriment, in Thardferr? Normally a hard counter is there to counter some...thing. It's always felt to me like Abakar had plans and for this and never got to it.

Edit: Attack time reduced by a % of mounted army. /shrug lol

Lord Thane

Jules yeah Charge seems to suck at the moment. The 25% ding is crushing casualties. I'm running more scenarios and not really finding a situation where the attack boost is worth the defense loss. Maybe after the planned changes to other battle mechanics it will be different, but as it stands based on my tests I would never use Charge. Maybe that defense ding should be lightened up to -10%, more reasonable.