Fixes Requested

Sun Tzu

Hey, here are some suggestions:

1) Please fix protection. If I get hit with somebody 30% larger than me, I only get 15 hours if I lose a castle and 20 hours if I lose only land. This makes no sense. If I get only 15 hours, and my opponent gets 24 because he is fully CLI tech, he can get one of his friends to hit me again after 15 hours ensuring I don't take my retaliation. Both protections should be 24 hours if CLI has to be 24 hours.

2) Offensive casts are not using up retaliations. If a caster gets hit, doesn't have army to retaliate, his offensive cast should use up the retaliation and not give the opponent a fresh retaliation.

Please let me know if these can be fixed and if you agree/disagree! Thanks!

DougEfresh

Sun Tzu hard no on #2

Sun Tzu

@DougEfresh Why?

skigglez

Sun Tzu
I was told in another thread by Thane that as a dwarf I need to build schools and wizards to defend myself against magic. Same logic should then apply to people playing casters - you should build a military to defend against attackers. Can’t have the best of both worlds as a caster.

Sun Tzu

Ok table #2, let's at least fix #1?

#2 we can debate later, but #1 is a valid suggestion. Can we please work towards implementing it? Thanks!

skigglez

Sun Tzu
Agree, and also for number 2 i know they are working on revamping the techs, especially for spells. If they put in some sort of spell defense then maybe it makes sense to remove the retal being created by offensive spells. But current state i think it needs to stay for balance.

Thecatman

#1 I agree with for sure. 15 hours just isn't enough, not even enough time for troops to come back with transport

Sun Tzu

@skigglez I think you misunderstand me.

I don't say that offensive spells should not give retals if the caster is the offender

I just mean that when already hit by somebody, an offensive cast should be counted as a retal.

Fresh casts should give retals. Anyway, more important is protection fixes.

Lord Thane

I like both ideas.

Although I do like that attacker gets more protection - gives a reward for taking risk.

The #2 just seems fairs, if offensive spells give retals then it should be able to be used as a retal as well.

Sun Tzu

Lord Thane

How about this?

Equal protection if you hit below your KS, and higher protection if you hit above your KS.

Good compromise? Simple enough to code?

Lord Thane

Sun Tzu that's an interesting concept - but we're talking about defensive protections. Still works though, we could do it so if someone smaller than you hits then you get a regular amount protection, if someone larger hits you then you get an increased amount of protection. I think that's actually a really good option versus flat out increasing protections times.

Sun Tzu

Lord Thane

We’re essentially saying the same thing. My reply now sounds redundant. Yes. What you said.

Sun Tzu

@Lord Thane well we can look at it both ways can’t we? If you get hit by someone larger, you get 24 hours to match max CLI. If you get hit by someone smaller than you, you only get 15 or 20(take your pick).

trupheus

I love the ideas around varying protection times. One thing I don’t think should ever happen is the attacker getting more protection than the defender.

I’ve had this scenario play out and it just doesn’t seem right.

Person A hits me, take land, I receive 20 hours.
I share the news across the pot distribution network that hey, small delay in delivery and Person A is the cause. Person A gets hit same tick and loses a castle. They got 15 hours of prot.

Flip side, I’ve been hit and had a castle taken off of me, 15 hours of protection and the attacker got 24. Immediately after my protection ends, I am hit again. My original assailant still has 9 hours of prot and I’ve been broken twice.

When you are in protection for a failed defense, production bonus based on the percentage of your overall army lost? I wouldn’t want someone getting a bonus if they sent their entire army at someone and then immediately sold the castle to someone else. But if my entire army is home and I lose 60%… (1:1 MCs to maximize troops available post fight) yeah a nice little bounce back mechanic while in that protection.

Thecatman

trupheus I think the attacker should get more pro for sure. They are the ones taking the risk of sending out their army, paying for the double upkeep and they invested in all the cli techs. Maybe a small buff to the defender like you said but attacking is punishing enough as is. They must have increased prot times to 20 now. That extra 5 hours is gonna make a big difference

skigglez

Thecatman
Agreed - attacker with full CLI should 100% get more protection than the defender. Defender should get more than 15 hours though for sure. 20 hours defender vs 24 attacker seems fair, not sure we need to add any randomness to protection, there's already enough randomness in castle taking % right now.

Xliest

Thecatman what are you talking about? CLi sympathizers are welcome here but stay in your lane the risk of attacking is not a risk if you get 24 hours of protection from anyone else attacking you.

trupheus

You come away with a bigger kingdom as the victor. Clearly that’s not enough for you. Want to steal their resources? Take weapons and convert them to yours? Why stop there, take prisoners of war and force their units to fight for you.

Your ideas continue to make the strong stronger and the weak weaker.

Protection time is a snooze fest. It’s a forced pause. As we’ve brought up in other threads, a very viable solution to that is to make it so kingdoms recover quicker. Increase training speed, increase resource production, increase unit upkeep. This keeps current army sizes, you just get to build them quicker. If everyone could train their current army in half the time then current protection times would be fine. A kingdom that’s broken would be able to retrain in 15 hours of protection and take the retal. That’s basically how long you get to retal anyway because that’s when your protection ends. You’re forced to do something before the next guy comes along and you’re already crippled.

Strider

I think we have to be careful about conforming game mechanics to peoples preferred style of play and actually play a round with some of the drastic changes to game play that have been implemented already and see how they play out.

skigglez

Xliest
Lol but you’re taking the risk in attacking. Are you trying to say sitting and farming is more risky? You should be rewarded for taking the risk and attacking, if not it’s a boring farm fest. It’s especially risky before 10 castles as well - taking land is punishing

Thecatman

Stay in your lane? Wtf does that even mean?