KS from Buildings.

trupheus

Did a little breakdown of KS per building.

Advanced Training Center 35
Farm 7.5
Forge 25
Guard House 25
Guard Tower 17.5
House 7.5
Market 25
Medical Center 17.5
Mill 15
Mine 15
School 30
Training Center 25

Castle Unsure if this is a bug or not, but my KS was unchanged the tick my castle finished and did not after I scheduled a new one to build.

There’s a caveat with Guard Houses (GH): the troops garrisoned in them significantly boost their contribution to Kingdom Strength (KS). A fully loaded GH with Caragous yields 385 KS, far beyond the base 25. This highlights a broader design trend of favoring military buildings over utility ones in terms of KS contribution.

That said, I believe Schools are misclassified. Based on their function and output, they align more closely with utility structures, yet they currently generate outsized KS values that skew the balance. Their reclassification could help normalize the curve.

It’s also unclear how KS values were originally determined. Mills and Mines both grant 15 KS, yet a Mill costs only 50 wood, while a Mine costs 50 wood and 100 iron, more than double the resource investment for the same KS.

Proposal: Shift building KS from flat values to a formula based on resource investment (excluding gold). This would align KS more logically with construction cost and building purpose.

KS per Building:

Military Buildings (ATC, Forge, GH, GT, MC, TC): 0.1 KS per wood and/or iron

Utility Buildings (Farm, House, Market, Mill, Mine, School): 0.07 KS per wood and/or iron

Adv. Training Center 30
Farm 7
Forge 10
Guard House 7.5
Guard Tower 9
House 3.5
Market 14
Medical Center 6
Mill 3.5
Mine 10.5
School 10.5
Training Center 25

This maintains the military emphasis in KS while providing a transparent, scalable calculation method.

At the time I ran these numbers, my KS was around 370,000. With this new weighted system, I would drop to 287,000 KS. Even as a caster-heavy kingdom with no markets or farms, it would place me in a more accurate bracket, where my military is comparable to others near me in land.

Obviously, this is coming through Elf-tinted glasses, but I do think it would make casters feel less like they're constantly fighting up a weight class.

Still doesn’t fix the fact that Elf military is in a rough spot.

Blahblah

trupheus I think the elite archer should have an armor.

Thecatman

Yah knocking down the KS from schools would help casters. Put them on a more even playing field with people around their KS

CyberPtra

Blahblah

I suggested before that they should have light armour, BUT take away one of their range attacks. Essentially -1/+1 to the base.

range tech bring them back up +1
armour tech allows for more defence +4

Cora

CyberPtra why take away one of their range attacks points first. Everyone seems to agree that Elf units need something done. Why not just add the armor to give them some defensive points. I lose so many Archers against Undead, it’s ridiculous.

Zown

Cora
I agree. Archers feel to fodderish. No strategy seems to mitigate their losses either. Guard towers should make elf op, however it feels like they do nothing. A weight adjustment on the base archer and some light armor on the elite will probably make them feel way more playable. Or even just adjusting their production speed. You can make so many but they feel so useless. I don't even want to make that many since they drop like flies they just cause my army to garentee lose because of the unit loss. Elf on paper should be a lot better but their production speed seems off compared to how you actually want to build them. And if you could actually mitigate range damage on defense with guard towers it should be borderline impossible to beat them defending but it just doesn't feel like GTs do anything. The archer protection and infantry strats should feel way better too, however they don't seem to mitigate losses much since the range units die so easily. You just garentee lose your melee unit and ranged units if you use it.

Cora

Zown that’s been proven correct in my BRs, too. I only started using GTs because they were supposed to be useful now. If they still aren’t working, then I’m going to use that building space for something more useful.

Thecatman

The only thing i worry about with making GT's good is races with ranged armies already have very strong counters to their ranged damage. If GT's become usable for everyone thats just another reason to not play elf/gnome. So far only ranged races face counters that can completely negate their damage, GT's being strong/usable for everyone would make elf/gnome even worse than they are now

Zown

Thecatman
I agree it will be a nerf overall to ranged. But shadow warriors and mages with GTs and quick retreat fundamentally should be an extremely broken strategy, especially with a 100% army of those units. You reduce all incoming damage and then mitigate the lower number while basically being immune to melee and short. It should make mage and shadow warriors on defense almost unbeatable with how the game is described. However they still drop like flies. The building just seems like a waste of space and threw my entire last week and a half trying to test them out. I'm starting to wonder if medical centers even apply any mitigation. I think they only heal at the end of the battle.

Zown

Thecatman
I forgot to touch in the gnome comment. I think the reason they feel bad and lose battles they probably should have won is because of the far fighting strategy. That strat basically says nuke both sides in ranged phase and see how it plays out. However both armies can do so much damage like this the can both wipe each other resulting in a defense win since they are the tie breaker. The only way to kind of avoid it is with a ton of catapult or ballista. Nothing else on gnome can survive their own strat.

Zown

Thecatman
Sorry, allow me to clarify further. The issue I think people are encountering with elf/gnome/undead are all related in a way. People are rushing to get as strong as they can within 15 to 24 hours so they can defend/attack. However if you do that with these specific races you are throwing. The victory condition I believe is related to which ever army hits 20% army size first loses, with draws going in defenses favor. That is an issue with these races because their fodder units can easily comprise of a large portion of their army because of how quickly they can train those weak units. They easily get wiped in one turn of damage and your army can drop to 20% extremely easily. Like undead for example, if they have an army of 80% skeleton legion, it doesn't matter what other units they have they will lose in one round unless they have a huge numbers advantage. Elves naturally can build like 40-60% of their army in archer units just because of how their production is set up. So their low defense and the current weights they wipe super easily. You have to stack your army with the slower producing units which feels awkward, and playing as it feels intended feels really weak for some reason. It's counter intuitive. That's why doing infantry defense is just throwing. It should be super boosting the defense of your units, but all you are doing is making your only tanky unit and giving him 1 defense so he gets wiped and then all the other units get wiped anyways in the next phase because they are still weak. The mitigation would still be nice to have to help the fodder units and I still think their should be some sort of adjustment so these races don't feel awkward.

Strider

Give elite archers caragous armor and make their defense dependant on what % they make of army 😈

Strider

No scratch that.

Make a dark elf race that is more military inclined but not as strong magically.

Give them some caragous elites. Leave elf alone