Tech KS

FriendsInSpace

There have been a couple posts lately/today by some people noting difficulties at lower ks levels in attacking/defending and I have a suggestion that might be part of the puzzle needed for balance.

If I'm not mistaken, currently every tech just gives a flat 1k ks. However, military techs have a much bigger impact than 1k ks gives. For example, sharper blades makes elf swordsmen have 25% more attack. (4 to 5).

I think the military techs (and possibly economic ones, but I haven't thought of a way to balance those) should not give a flat 1k ks, but instead add a multiplier into the ks given per unit based on how much more effective the unit is in battle, attack or defence wise. I know Keeper and Thane were working on tech changes for next round, hopefully something like this makes it in.

This could help mitigate some of the issues mid round joiners face in enjoying the game, as chances are they will be stuck in the pit with at least a few smaller kingdoms who have some of the military techs done at their strength levels, but be utterly hopeless in fighting them due to the disparities in army effectiveness.

Lord Thane

FriendsInSpace that's a pretty good idea! It would give much bigger swings in ks due to the added ks value of army units, but maybe that's a better way of representing the power added by the tech.

FriendsInSpace

Lord Thane It might be a bit tricky in finding out exactly what value the multiplier should be, but I think even if we started with a smaller multiplier then tweaked as needed it would be a step in the right direction.

CyberPtra

Potential Problem...Why get the Military Tech at all? We have to be very strategic with the amount the tech affects the KS for military! If the KS scales proportionately to the strength of the unit, then there may be minimal benefits to getting the tech.

Strategy 1: Do NOT get any military tech, and focus on other techs (economy). Have "more" weaker units that are equal-ish to another kingdom's "less" stronger units.

Benefit: Less upkeep gold/food per ks gain

Strategy 2: Get Military Tech Early... You have smaller army for the same KS output... Maybe have more buildings to allocate elsewhere (economy). You are still susceptible to other similar kingdoms.

Benefit: Swing in KS is directly proportional to unit strength loss... easier to gauge attacks/defends/retals.

Strategy 3 (Maybe 1B): Get all the military techs at the end to jump in KS (only purpose)... Initially keep ks low and farm up supplies/units/armory...then get all the military tech at the end...

Please let me know if my logic is incorrect.

Cyber

FriendsInSpace

CyberPtra

I think your concerns are assuming the ks gain is exactly proportional to the strength gain, which I don't necessarily think it should be, as it removes the benefits of getting the techs.

Take the 3 melee/3 defence elf lanceman as an example. With SB3 and LA3, it becomes a 6/6. I don't think the KS increase per unit should be doubled in that case, however, it should definitely be more than a flat 6k increase in KS for having all 6 techs completed. Perhaps in that case a 50% increase in unit KS would be appropriate. That way there is still an advantage to getting the techs, but people who join late/ restart aren't left completely in the dust.

CyberPtra

FriendsInSpace

I agree... but finding that balance is still going to be difficult..

It is the exact same problem you are trying to fix...but only to a lesser extent/disparity (which is good)

Two kingdoms of similar KS (new player and longer player) are closer in military strength... Instead of the potential for massive unaccounted differences in strength if KS per unit is the same (Teched-up vs Not).

Cyber