Human Infantry die more than Archers in battle

Leo

we lost : 289 Knight 993 Infantry 606 Pikeman 317 Heavy Infantry 791 Archer 310 Mounted Archers

Exact same amount of Infantry and Archers were deployed. Archers died at the same rate as pikeman (both defense 3). But infantry (def: 5) died more than Archers is weird. Strategy was set to No strategy. 0 MC, 0 GT. Light Armor: +2.

Overall;
Knight, Infantry, Heavy infantry died at the similar rate.
Archer, Mounted Archer, Pikeman died at similar but a lower rate.

I am pretty sure Archers used to die more than Infantry in battles which is expected.

trupheus

Leo

I’ve noticed that losses seem to be given the total damage to your troops then have a % of your army die with a little randomness. If 35% of my army dies it’s 30-40% of each unit. So fodder units aren’t soaking up damage like they should.

I think it would make more sense to have the damage apply based on the composition of the army and then the defense kicks in.

If there’s 1000 LR damage done to an army of 1000RT, 500Mil, 200Inf, 150cat, 150bal. The RT take 500 dmg and lose 500. Mil take 250 lose 250. Inf take 100 lose 50 (no LA upgrades). Cat take 75 lose 3. Bal take 75 lose 5.

Current state it’s more like 1000LR damage. 2000 troops 808 should die. 808/2000 = 40%. 40% of each unit dies.

Except for that bugged BR between with Mack and a human. That one is real buggy. 100 somethin knights lose to 20k gnome deaths lol.

Brozee

Leo depends on your strat.

Darteye

% of the type of unit also plays a factor in this...

Xliest

Seems to be working as intended infantry typically higher loses than archers in similar numbers

bierlym

I am playing human and most of the time I see similar losses when same number delpoyed.

How does the type of troops the other player had impact the results? Do all units take damage in all 3 phases? or do some only get hit in Ranged or Melee.

Xliest

bierlym it’s a bit of randomness and a bit of what you mentions no one should have the exact formula I think makes the game solvable which is the last thing we want/need

Lord Thane

Xliest yeah there's entropy to spread out damages. At these levels of troop numbers you can definitely see a fluctuation of one type getting more casualties than the other one pretty big swings, I think up to 20-30% between them.

trupheus

Lord Thane

Fully agree with a degree of randomness but losing 60% of your army when attacking shouldn’t mean you lose +/- 5% of 60% of each unit. Fodder don’t do their job in that scenario. My fodder units are doing their job when they die the most. A good battle for gnome and orc is when RT militia slother and slinger soak up damages and cats bals SW AT and WM sustain minimal losses. This could be by SW feel bugged, they might be hiding but they’re just taking more damage.

Here’s a quick example.

We managed to kill : 3534 Knight 4332 Infantry 3636 Pikeman 2275 Heavy Infantry 3688 Archer 2459 Mounted Archers

But we lost : 569 Catapult 882 Infantry 4623 Militia 1322 Rider 16507 Rock thrower 853 Balista

That was an army of 1443 cat 2272 infantry 12223 militia 3046 rider 38799 RT and 2217 balista.

The losses are 30/40% of each unit the RT and militia did not soak up damages.

Leo

trupheus

I remember usually almost all RT used to die in bloody battles. Acting as fodder. Also there is a problem with the long range phase i posted under fixing battles poll. Army consisting of just 1 archer managing to kill 4 Knight 1 Infantry 5 Pikeman 5 Heavy Infantry 3 Archer against a 4500 units army.

trupheus

Leo definitely something going on with human armies at the moment. There’s another BR of gnome v human where only 170ish knights died.

Leo

A demonstration of damage allocation that i have in mind. Net Attack power is allocated according to army percentage of enemy troops. Then divided by the defense of the specific unit to calculate casualities. A fluctuation percentage of a random %5-15 can be applied to allocation percentage to randomize battles a bit.

This way gnomes get to protect their war machines (although their percentage should be calculated not according unit count but 5 for each catapult and 4 for each ballista). Also in overwhelming battles some attack power is wasted due to focusing the larger number of enemy troops. Thus cutting back the losses of more precious but rare units. See below outcome of doubled attack power against same army. Weak def units archers and pikeman die completely but some attack power is wasted on them not wiping out everything.