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AdinTheDark

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temo

Blacksmithing Bow Increases Bow production by 20% 5 / 12 90000 14

Im a gnome , gnomish weapons are not listed, human weapon show up I had swords, lance now bows

Lord Thane

temo lol, sounds like a translations bug, I'll take a look at it in a bit 🙂

Lord Thane

temo yeah I was missing a few translation keys, should be all good now, thanks for finding that!

temo

Yep it looks good now

Thecatman

Something funky is going on with mages. I just got hit by a dwarf and took my retal the same tick. For the defense I was on QR and my retal I set it to infantry attack. Heres my defence first

We lost 1 Castle(s) sorrounded by 31 lands.
In this lands are also constructed : 13 Advanced Training Center , 37 Farm , 3 Forge , 31 Guard House , 0 Guard Tower , 107 House , 31 Market , 21 Medical Center , 8 Mill , 10 Mine , 39 School , 8 Training Center ,

In this lands also lived 9490 people who left our Kingdom.

We managed to kill : 283 Shieldbearer 395 Hammer wheilder 265 Axe Man 77 Runner 707 Light Crossbowman 230 Heavy Crossbowman

But we lost : 467 Mage 1119 Swordman 962 Lanceman 1859 Caragous 1169 Archer 1679 Elite Archer

I was on QR and 0.7:1 MC's and those losses look very lopsided. 7.2K vs 2K. But heres the one that makes me think Mages are bugged.

We won 1 Castle(s) sorrounded by 28 lands.
In this lands are also constructed : 10 Advanced Training Center , 31 Farm , 2 Forge , 23 Guard House , 0 Guard Tower , 59 House , 19 Market , 19 Medical Center , 5 Mill , 10 Mine , 1 School , 13 Training Center ,

In this lands also lived 11224 people who are gratefull to join our Kingdom.

We managed to kill : 322 Shieldbearer 406 Hammer wheilder 576 Axe Man 0 Runner 446 Light Crossbowman 465 Heavy Crossbowman

But we lost : 2169 Mage 529 Swordman 274 Lanceman 200 Caragous 387 Archer 335 Elite Archer

Strat was infantry attack, was thinking SM die like flies anyways so they might as well reduce my other losses. The question is how did this dwarf kill over 2k mages? Without my MC's he would have killed every single one I think. Arent mages supposed to not die in melee combat unless you are running EG? I highly doubt the dwarf left enough ranged at home to kill every mage and if he did why didnt he kill all my shitty tc units as well?

skigglez

Thecatman
Possible that shield line is somehow bugged? Not sure how that would translate into the second BR though, that one makes zero sense

Lord Thane

Thecatman my immediate guess would be they have 50% or near 50% SB using SB strat which makes all your ranged units totally useless. I will pull the report and check.

Thecatman

That doesn't explain the mage losses though. I understand why I lost when he hit me, dwarf is a hard counter to elf, it's my retal on him where it doesn't make any sense that I lost that many mages especially when compared to my other losses

Lord Thane

Thecatman looks to be you got screwed over by the Infantry Attack strategy. It was configured to count unit1/unit2 as infantry, so their attack powers got amplified while their defenses were weakened - weakened enough to get zeroed out at range.

I updated that strategy to use unit2/unit3 (eg for elf = swordsman/lancemen), as those are much more appropriate as "infantry" type units across all races. I also refactored the entire strategy's code to make sure it's working more closely to the game guide description (make sure the 2.5x buff is working, and damage reduction to other units, also makes infantry much easier to kill).

trupheus

Mages hide similar to SW right? My theory is that your mages hid in the attack on you but failed to hide in your attack. If mages don’t hide like SW then yeah something is broken.

skigglez

The flat damage reduction on Shield Line is pretty broken though, if I am understanding it correctly. If you are defending with 1 SB and 1 runner (having 50% of your troops be SB), and have Shield Line on, a gnome hitting you with 1 million catapults will do zero ranged damage? Or does it scale with size of army somehow? If it doesn't scale and it's just always a fixed reduction based on the % of SB, then that's pretty dumb. More balanced would be your SB absorb ranged damage before all of your other units or something along those lines, so that it's still effective against ranged but not completely broken when defending with small army size that has a high % of SB.

Lord Thane

skigglez that's how Dwarf has always been, and if you think it's easy to keep 50% SB you should try playing a Dwarf and find out lol. In the test round I tried it, ran 50% SB and 50% Runners, thought it was a great idea - nullify long range, hit them in short range with my runners, and mop up what's left in melee... Except I got totally shit on by Orcs, very easily even. Had to give up that strategy hella quick, useless as it is for anything but strategic use. And now as a Gnome, this is why I have a shit ton of Bals to match my Cats. It's a balance, you can't just do 1 thing and expect to be safe from everything, there's always an angle for someone else to break you - even a Dwarf trying to run 50% SB.

Thecatman

According to the guide mages are only supposed to be damaged by ranged attacks. If this isn't the case then that needs to be updated in the guide and mages probably need to have their defence buffed a bit

Thecatman

And also that just can't really fly for the premier unit for a race, a dice roll to see if you randomly lose 90% of them hitting someone who had the majority of his army out?

Thecatman

Lord Thane

Lord Thane Thank you for the quick fix and the info. Lol that also explains another BR from earlier in the round where I used infantry attack and was wondering why so many mages died 😆 I just thought the strat sucked

skigglez

Lord Thane
I do play dwarf haha. I know it's hard to maintain 50% SB for a full army, my concern is with a small number left defending after an attack. For example - you send 90% at someone and are left with 10% units at home. Of the 10% you have 50% SB - if you have Shield Line strategy enabled does that reduce 100% of ranged damage when you get attacked, regardless of how many units are hitting you? That's where my ridiculous example of 1 SB 1 runner comes from - would they technically reduce the ranged damage from a million catapults hitting you to 0 when defending because 50% of your army is SB? I get it, they don't just attack with only catapults, but if that's the case it exposes a flaw with SB and the SL strategy in my opinion.

Lord Thane

skigglez yes as long as they use the strat it doesn't matter how many unit they have in total as long as half of them are SB then 100% of long range is void.

Someone sending 100% ranged at a dwarf would be a fool or a gambler and deserve to lose in that case. Just like the dwarf would be wide open for an Orc to mosey on in for a free win. In the same token, that same Orc would get totally vaporized trying to even look at a Gnome that's jacked for range.

The races have special abilities, strengths and weaknesses. Pitting one races ultimate weakness against another races ultimate ability doesn't mean there's a problem, just means the player doesn't know what they're doing.

Lord Thane

Actually I just got hit by a Dwarf trying to run a SB strat against me, a few days ago. Luckily I had spent over a week doing nothing but Bals in anticipation of Jets testing my invincibility.

We managed to kill : 1405 Shieldbearer 668 Hammer wheilder 2208 Axe Man 0 Runner 1162 Light Crossbowman 0 Heavy Crossbowman

But we lost : 348 Catapult 0 Infantry 0 Militia 0 Rider 0 Rock thrower 617 Balista

I haven't done the calcs of the resource cost on that. It does sting though, several days of build time to replace that. But what I gleened from it is my weakness to SB. I'm sure my magnificent long range vaporized 100% of whatever units weren't protected by the SB, those SB saved units then went on to melee and caused all my losses I'm sure. Nothing much I can do about that, except keep pushing Bals ahead of my Cats to make sure I have something left to defend in melee.

skigglez

Lord Thane
the SB did damage to your melee units? I thought their attack was zero?

trupheus

Lord Thane

So jets hit you or some other dwarf?

Lord Thane

skigglez no, it was the units the SB saved. I know they used SB strat, because if they didn't they surely would have been zeroed out in long range. So the units their SB saved were able to hit me back and cause losses.

skigglez

Lord Thane
oh haha i was thinking you knew something i didn't - thanks for confirming

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