Good Idea Fairies: Help a brutha out

Nolio

I would also love to see something like a bonus of land is discovered by the warring provinces at the end of it all. Along the lines of, anyone who attacked and won land gets a bonus when all is said and done, even if your province lost the fight. Not a lot of land, but just another small incentive. This way more land is brought into the game and encourages more wars.

Xliest

Jets the fuck man, I haven’t even viewed this topic before… why you calling on me. I’ve made coherent arguments before brother…

Jets

Xliest I have poor reading comprehension. Ask anyone.

FriendsInSpace

I guess I'll necropost on this thread but...

I believe we have an issue with magic in the game. And it's only marginally related to the shenanigans that truph had pulled. As the only remaining elf in my group (the other two couldn't hack it as furries) I don't even have most of the magic techs done.

There are some issues with balancing the offensive spells, but without a larger portion of players using them the devs only have limited data points on them, which are mainly the truph bombs from what I know. Currently I don't think I will bother going for EQ or GB due to the time investment involved in the techs, then getting insight after that and maybe magical instruments seems to be a very large investment for little relative reward. I don't necessarily think the issue is with magic though, per say. I think it's tech times and MP's.

MP's take away one of the biggest benefits of having an elf in the group, which was casting spells. Now, I know the player base definitely doesn't want to get rid of them because they all have become addicted to their elf free blessings, but perhaps a greater bonus on elf generation of them would better offset the lost gold?

The biggest issue though I believe is the tech times. I feel like you have to choose very early on in the round whether to go caster or war elf, and if you invest the 24 real days (roughly a third of the round) to get all the magic techs, you are so far behind on eco and military that playing catch up would seem damn near impossible.

To help mitigate the above, I though maybe a new production building could help, call it the "Library". When xx amount of pop is in it, it increases research speed by xx% (numbers to be determined at a future date). Definitely could help get through the slog that is some of those longer techs, at the cost of eco (cause your pop is not in mines/mills/whatever).

Anyways, just thought id throw the idea out there.

Edit: Obviously not for this round, but for future rounds.

Lord Thane

FriendsInSpace something Keeper proposed to me the other day might help some of those areas. As we've mentioned a few times, revamping the entire tech system, along with that - rebalancing research times. The big proposal though is a new way to research things, not with gold but with points, research points. I'm still digesting the idea.

Perhaps with that new idea, there can be a method to increase the research points, by building or something else.

Making the game fun for casters is an important topic, and there's a lot of ideas floating around that might influence that, some not in a good way, which means we'll need some creative ideas to come. One such negative is possibility of Send Aid getting crippled - reducing max Aid to 1 per day and very low limits.

Maybe in the new tech system there can be some creative new spells made to make the role more attractive. Maybe in the market we need another way to enable casters to sell magic beyond just MP.

Happy to hear some ideas from everyone on it.

FriendsInSpace

Lord Thane Yeah, I figured I'd just toss out some ideas. Research points could be interesting, as decoupling it from gold would remove any influence from spamming the market to afford the techs.

If we were to throw magic into the market somehow, maybe have someone post whatever spell they wanted and a price they are willing to pay, then the first caster to successfully cast it gets the gold? People could then either weigh the benefit of selling MPs or spells directly. Would be hard to do a sell feature for that though, unless the caster slotted a certain number of wiz to be used as a mercenary type role for some gold?

68Magnum

Just an idea….. What about side objects (non-player) related a province could attack to win to obtain additional province buffs until it is taken?

Example:
Object (Obelisk of Light) = “X” Health, once owned it gives 10% additional attack power to province.

People could attack this object until it was captured (last prov to 0 health obtains). Once obtained it buffs the entire province with additional attributes until it is attacked and taken by another prov. The prov who owns, could replenish health/defense by throwing resources at it to keep it.

Enphetamy

68Magnum this feels like it has the potential for a runaway effect no?

TheKeeper

68Magnum I like the idea to introduce PVE

68Magnum

Enphetamy I think this would have potential for a province to keep an enchanted object for the round, but at a cost. If other provinces want the buffs they attack it, which would require the holding prov to throw resources at it (wood/iron/gold) to rebuild its health and defense. If not, the other proves can continue attacking which eventually they’d steal or capture, providing their proves with the buffs.

Just an idea to add a different element, allowing players to focus on another element to improve their province. May drive people to team up and get into provinces together.

Nolio

I like it

You could even have something like there are 7 different buffs, one for each resource, one for attack, one for defense, and one for range.

The thing is that a province can only have 1 at a time. This would let many provinces get a buff and not just the strongest one

68Magnum

Nolio I like it, the options really are endless. When it gets to the point where your just sitting and farming because maybe the targets your spying are in pro, maybe you attack the item…. Getting your prov closer to obtaining it

skigglez

68Magnum
Could incorporate magic and make fireballs damage the objective too, one way to make Elf more enticing to play

Thecatman

Yah I like that idea, something else to shoot for in the game other than just attacking someone every 24 hrs

trupheus

skigglez

Gonna build on this a little.

What if Fireball scaled off your Magic tech level, and you could assign Wizards to battle similar to traditional units—but instead of fighting directly, they would launch Fireballs during Long-Range (LR)?

- Mechanics:

Wizards would not enter melee or mid-range combat.
Instead, they’d stay in the backline, casting Fireballs exclusively during LR.
The Fireball damage would scale based on your Magic tech and the enemy’s magic resistance (racial and schools/wiz).
Wizards would only be subject to LR damage in return, meaning they’re vulnerable but not frontline.

- Limitations:

Wizards alone couldn’t take a castle—you’d still need conventional troops to actually invade and seize it.
Their role is purely tactical damage and disruption during LR, not occupation.

- Why this works:

Adds meaningful purpose to Wizards beyond casting.
Encourages investment in Magic tech for military benefit.
Opens up new strategies where players balance troop/wizard ratios and time their LR pushes.

68Magnum

That’d be cool too, another element that magic could be used for.

Enphetamy

Big brain shit right here. Im sure there's plenty to build on and fine tune and balance, but what a fine idea. But does this favor magic inclined races? Having a multipurpose unit would need some drawbacks?

Cora

My provmates came up with a tech suggestion to help with armory. Gnomes definitely need help here. Here’s the basis:

"Improved Workmanship" decreases the need for so many materials in building weaponry
It could even be a tech tree, each weapon getting a separate tech
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Now I don’t think we need a separate tech per weapon because that would take up too much tech time imo. But overall, I think this would be a very beneficial tech to have to research for training your army. Thoughts??

Cora

Can we please get the prov info added with TS and shadow hall?

And is it possible to add a search feature to the Khof?? There’s been a couple of times where I was searching for a particular kingdom and overlooked them.

Lord Thane

Cora that info can be added, I'll put it on the list.

For a search function, I'm not sure at the moment. To get a really good one would need some major work on the hof that I think would be better done at a time when we can add more functionality to the whole thing - like display rankings by land, castles, attack power, etc. In the meantime I would recommend using your browsers search function, it only works on a per-page basis but it's better than manually looking.

Cora

Lord Thane thank you!! I know you both don’t need extra work, but it would be so helpful! I checked the search function out. Even on a page by page functionality, at least it beats scrolling over and over 🤣 maybe in the future…😇

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