Gate / Spellcasting

Darteye

Alright since it seems big bugs have slowed a bit it might be time to consider balance changes. The range nerf etc is good to tone gnomes down early. However, we didn't really address late game. Human is OP there is no denying that (in the late game) tho they are one of the weakest in the early game. I dont know what direction we want to go but being that I will bet elf SUCKS in the late game without the OP iron to gold of old to run stupid militaries AND spells giving retals. Early game they are very good and mid game I would say meh.

So let's buff caragous base stat (we can't run as many in this version)

Make gate an ELF ONLY spell, tho this will suck for human and orc which also build this.

Replace gate in spell 4 with shadow hall since we now have shadow hall working. Also without gate it will actually be kinda punishing.

Make sure gate breaks prot (I heard it didnt?)

Orc we can totally revamp wolfmasters to allow orc to get more SR damage (less required)

Human army efficiency with techs is INSANE so maybe add a little to upkeep or we adjust all GH space for races to play to strengths/weaknesses

I dunno i can keep going but kinda need to start the discussion cause humans will by far be the best every round in current state

Muh Dude

I second all these points

Orc and Elf need major army help still. Maybe give Orc training and GH bonuses too? Not as big as gnome but they need something. Caragous still seem weak due to how many you need to make em work, especially without infinite resources. I like the idea of gate being an elf spell tho, if they had any army to return

Would taking the armor off Humans archers and pikemen slow them down enough? Fells a bit much they all get armor, that should be more of a Dwarf thing

Lord Thane

Agree on Gate for elves only, disagree on shadow hall - that will make other races way too OP, it's one of the few tiny things barely keeping elves relevant. Plus, it would just make the game super annoying once everyone got that tech, everyone would be in fog.

-1 for gate breaking protection (elves/magic are already nerfed to hell imo). +1 if we don't make gate elf-only.

+1 buffing orc wolf master (slightly?).

I don't know about nerfing humans. Past hof seems pretty good with mix of races, round 10 top5 was gnomes lol. I think it comes down to humans being the most popular, so they just get seen as op - if half the players are human then we're going to see them in top spots more often. If anything, I think boosting the other races racial bonuses would be the ticket.

DougEfresh

Lord Thane gate should break pro. With the rampant castle passing already, it shouldn't be made even easier.

Muh Dude

Lord Thane Speaking of past HoF, what happened in Round 9? Almost everyone was orc or elf that round

AdinTheDark

Lord Thane
If everyone thinks humans are the top tier end game then they should be left alone as much as we can till other races are better honestly. Hopefully all the techs are tested and balanced this beta then we might have a better picture of where everyone is. Battles were real hard to judge at the end. Just carnage. (Which I loved) I felt like my kingdom was really starting to shine before the first resource dump then all real strategy and army composition went out the window. Can’t really balance that atm IMO.

Lord Thane

DougEfresh if we make gate for elves only, that will greatly reduce that problem. Small buff for elves, small nerf to castle passers. Win win.

Lord Thane

Muh Dude probably some game balancing discussion went awry lol

Jets

Muh Dude it was the one time Gen shadow played orc rather than human.

Darteye

Orc were good late game....elf too cause iron to gold was broken. This versions lack of the broken i2g screws elf hard haha

Darteye

AdinTheDark correct I am going off past experiences and just the numbers. I agree it will be better not to nerf human but to buff the other races. I think gate only being elf nerfs human more than the others. Like I said buff elf and orc a little (in ways listed above) and make gate elf only. Would be interesting, also would make people put more value in the transportation tech.

TheKeeper

Darteye What about increase the accuracy for elfs, and decrease it to other races? and instead of removing prot, just decreasing it 50%?

CyberPtra

1) I think humans and orcs can use gate, but maybe requiring more/less wizards per cast... Maybe elves get to recall back 5 units per wizards, Humans/Orcs the standard 3 units per wizard.

2) Gate should break protection... castle passing, and then defending with full army from retals seems disingenuous. The person attacking cannot even find pretal if the castle already passed.

3) Elves can train wizards at at faster rate 4:1 (standard school 5:1 wizard)

4) Buff up Caragous...

5) Buff up Wolf Masters...

5) Knights require 1 sword, 1 plate, 1 horse, 1 Spear (as per unit description with "lance")

6) Dwarf gold production bonus

7) Orc GH houses 50 units (between standard and gnomes)

8) Unpopular Opinion: Gate can be casted offensively without giving retal like TS (eg. Ally Elf recalling units from an enemy back home to be slaughtered in a following attack/retal/pretal).

9) Unpopular Opinion: Knight Charging reduce additional damage taken to 10%

10) Unpopular Opinion: Elven Elite Archers add light armor (defense can increase with tech), but nerf basic attack to 4 (instead of 5).

11) Mages upkeep to 20:5 (instead of 30:2)

12) Better rates for Iron to Gold and Wood to food (maybe elves get rate bonus).

Not sure how hard the coding will be, but just some thoughts

Darteye

Or we leave gate as elf only but they can gate other people's army home....kinda makes people not wanna kill elf cause they can xast some big stuff for them hehe very outside the box but could be cool.

EDIT ohhhh make it so u can only gate your province that way u want an elf on ur team and it adds more prov play

I do like the mage reduction in upkeep and 5:1 gate for elf with better train rate...

Xliest

It would just make elves way more of a target. If there was one in a province their units are still shit so they get wacked down first.

I don’t like the idea of giving EA’s armor but it might be the only way for them to compete in the mid and late game.
I also noticed swords take 4 iron… so it’s litterally one mine per sword you make. That’s insane in my opinion.

Darteye

Xliest that is true...would put a BIG target on the elf back...but the elf can gate so can attack full force and its in the provs best interest to protect em

TheKeeper

We're losing focus, the elven army is weak, I admit, but they can destroy anyone to the ground with School X2 using fireball and earthquake...

Darteye

TheKeeper not with it giving retals they cant...they will kill pop and. Instantly lose their kd...and retals dont take 50% rules in affect....so yea

TheKeeper

or we can "borrow" spells from CTA, and bring them to Thardferr

Lord Thane

Darteye yeah the magic retals rule killed elves for me lol. Maybe they should be the one race that it doesn't give retals ~ elves have a special magic that doesn't do that.

DougEfresh

Lord Thane magic just shouldnt give retals