Crazy Strategy Sharing

Lord Thane

Anyone planning to run a crazy strategy?

I have an idea for playing Dwarf. Now hear me out...

I'm gonna run only 2 units in the army = shieldbearer and runners. Even better = I'm gonna run 50% SB and 50% runners.

Rationale is I'll totally negate the ranged phase of battle, then my plan is to crush enemies in the short and melee phases.

I love the simplicity in managing this = only need ATC to train units, and only need to produce axes and plate armor.

Downside is melee heavy races like orcs will be a challenge, but I think they'll be so worried building ranged units to fight elves/humans that they'll fall right for my trap.

If I ever get badly broken, it will be a hard challenge to rebuild, so a lot of the tactic is to remain too scary to bother.

Some other pros, since I'm skipping TC I can throw those buildings into higher ATC counts or economy.

Maybe it's a crazy idea... CRAZY LIKE A FOX!

Lord Thane

Another idea I had for this, run 50% SB and 50% crossbow. The idea being to negate enemies ranged so mine can go in and mop up.

This would be sweet for creating situations where the enemy gets spanked and I take zero losses. The problem is my limitation to 50% ranged troops means I'm not sure if I could necessarily output enough damage to take care of business - if anything makes it through ranged phase I would have nothing left.

Which is why I like the runner strat - the short range gives a chance to wipe out a small amount of enemy troops before the melee, so by the time we do get to melee the enemy is already weakened a bit.

Muh Dude

These are the kinda shenanigans I can get behind. I remember Orcs back in the day would run SW and AT armies. SB and Runner would be a bugger to train/rebuild. But maybe the revamped MC and GT could help cover some gaps?

Not nearly as crazy.. But I was gonna run mostly TC units as Human during the alpha, even had 2 LA done shortly after protection. The resource dump made it hard to justify continuing though

Lord Thane

Muh Dude in the test round my plan was to go full powered ranged with elf and lean on magic. But, I'm playing as a lone wolf and don't want to get whooped all the time. Maybe with this crazy strat I have a chance XD

Right now I'm dialing in my protection building strat. Started right in on mines n mills, disbanded military. I'm loosely going with this simple build:

1 atc
1 house
1 forge
1 guardhouse
2 farm
2 mill
2 mine

It's a simple build, not sure how it will scale. If I can reduce to 1.75 for mill/mine and 1.5 for farm, then maybe dump some into medical or markets depending on how things go. I did start irrigation early on, so hopefully that helps prevent any food issues I keep hearing people having.

Jules

Lord Thane

In the current form, markets are required 1:1 and any build that doesn't use them is suboptimal. Especially for Dwarf. You cannot be a dwarf without markets. Later iterations of the game even added a gold bonus for them. But, more generally, we should tune down the effects of markets and offset it with peasant gold production--if at all.

Lord Thane

Jules thanks for the tip. Yeah the loose math in my head wasn't mathin on gold sustainability - but I never played dwarf before and production on 12 lands seems pretty good so far lol. I will definitely make some cuts to make room for markets 👍

Xliest

Lord Thane gold was always standard with the exception of racial bonuses… I think human or gnome had some wild 10% or maybe dwarf did later in the game. Either way. Gold should be based on peasants agreed and markets modify the income by a percentage as they increase to 1:1. I recall doing the math back then and coming up with 1.75 gold per peasant and markets modifying it from +0%to +10% up to 0.5 markets per land, the further modifying it from +10 to +15percent for 0.5:1 to 1:1 markets per land. This would be the direction I would go…

I also remember kingdoms dieing if pop got to 0… it would take a coordinated effort from elves with fireballs but it was possible, maybe in this version we neglect to add this back in as we trying to be casual for the time being.