Destruction of Property

Mack10

@TheKeeper You not chiming in because you are the cause of the havoc? Hahahahahha

Mack10

So just to add to this.
My prov mate, I and Keeper are going back and forth.
I have been playing like tick by tick and cannot keep up with the resources of the Undead, and the fact a race was created to counter the weakest race is absolutely bonkers?
My biggest issue with this is the buildings being wiped out.
Yesterday I had to rebuild 94 buildings, get SOME of my wizards back and rebuild weapons/army.
Today I have to rebuild 144 Buildings back, lost all the wizards I built yesterday (and more) and the army recreated.
I cannot cast spells on my allies to recoup the gold and use the market place anymore. I cannot spec (early game) to fight a race that specifically counters range, and cannot seem to overcome the resources of said race with another KD helping me with pretals.

I dont mean to be the complainer here, but this is no longer fun to me. Its just a slaughter and a waste of time. I cannot come ahead with the buildings being wiped out. The rest I can... (with the exception of the wizards building rate, it takes days though)

TheKeeper

Mack10 I have only 1 castle left lol, believe me, the slaughter was worth, I gathered a lot of data and the building destruction is something I'll work in soon (I'm developing something big)

Jaxx

Mack10
I second this. The main point is not that things are unbalanced or we have a few bugs. The turn off for me is that i'm not having fun. Maybe its because im older than when we all played thardferr and not all my friends are here but i feel that im only rebuilding for the sake of rebuild. I still cant understand how can i be a powerhouse of an army. I cant handle the upkeep of my army. I keep raising my farms, i went to irrigation as the first tech but i'm still struggling to handle the balance. Not to mention that while i'm at it, i'm ignoring Guard Towers and Medical Centers, or else id go insane trying to find a decent ratio.

Jets

saadht I play casual and to just fuck around. It's a stress reliever.

Lord Thane

Jaxx I would suggest trying something new, a race you hadn't tried before, a different crazy strategy, etc.

I've had more fun this round so far then I did last round, but that's prolly just because I'm not chasing as many bugs, actually have time to test playing the game.

More players would definitely make the game a lot funner. There'd be more targets, and alliances wouldn't be as difficult to navigate. Less chance of hitting someone who has a couple buddies that will gang up on you.

I would have thought everyone was smart enough to realize aggressive or toxic tactics would be a bad idea in this climate. There aren't enough players to derive joy out of completely obliterating someone - because if they get obliterated and quit playing, then what, no more fun to be had. It's like, at this point, you need your enemy to survive and be able to put up a fight, or else you won't have any enemies to play with.

If marketing doesn't work and the player base shrinks, then what? We'll prolly just close up the game and run a special mini round once a year as a special thing?

So it really behooves people to play a friendly game at this point. To encourage each other. To celebrate your enemy's wins. It's not just about getting the #1 spot, but rebuilding the community.

If/when we can get a decently sized player base, then cutthroat tactics won't be so bad. A few alliances can scheme and plot against each other, obliterate each other, and they'll just rebuild and restart. Players won't quit because the situation won't be hopeless. Right now with the smaller player base, I think it's just really easy for someone to feel like it's hopeless.

If alliances ruin the game, then what? Remove friendly spell casting on other players, remove the aid system and market, remove provinces and force everyone to play a free for all... I guess it could happen if the player base stagnates or shrinks and everyone feels hopeless.

Maybe Thardferr can't survive in the modern world. Not enough players, not enough diversity, too much concentration of power in few alliances. Maybe we're just reviving it so we can see that it really is dead for good, who knows.

I guess we'll see 🥺

AdinTheDark

Lord Thane

One of the best aspects of this game is the player-driven politics, alliances, and naps. While it can be frustrating to be on the receiving end of large alliances, they do happen. However, the current trend is that everyone is playing as if this is a super-fast game. I’m an aggressive player, and I’ve been hit or attacked every day since protection was broken. Despite this, I’m having a great time. Building up kingdoms takes a lot of time, and farming is much cheaper than waging war. We really need to consider what we want this game to be. Do we want it to be a war game or a kingdom management game? If you don’t want large alliances to form, don’t form one yourself. If you don’t want bottom feeders, don’t do it yourself. Punish the ones who do. If you don’t want people hitting you, message them. Make friends grow a bit, then hit them for trusting you. It’s all part of the game, and it should be.

trupheus

@Lord Thane

We have edge players who don’t really affiliate themself with an alliance now. Whether the Thardferr Hotline, Filipino friends, or another group. I have a friend who doesn’t affiliate. They’ve been getting bottom fed on all round and haven’t asked for help. Today they did.

Get rid of KS. Adopt an elo system. Strong kingdom should naturally rise in elo. Weak kingdom naturally falls. It’ll help solve the balancing issues between the races. People who sit stagnant get paired with others who are sitting stagnant.

Lord Thane

AdinTheDark like I said, maybe the game really is dead and it's not coming back, and that's just what we're starting to figure out lol

Saying "this is how you play the game" to the people that are disgruntled is all good and well, but if we peaked for players during the first test round and it's all downhill from here, then we're not gonna last through a full first round. That's just the fact of how it is.

Jets

AdinTheDark bravo

AdinTheDark

Lord Thane

Are you actively trying to recruit new players? Of course, the game is dead right now. It’s made up of old people, which is how you get it up off the ground. There’s been a lot of complaining and complaining because we’re all super invested and passionate about this game. We want it to succeed. You have to realize that the market for this type of game isn’t what it used to be. In the end, that’s really how the game is played. That’s how it was played in real life: kingdoms and countries make friends, go to war, make enemies, ally, nap, and gang up on each other. This game is designed to be a slow-paced game. We haven’t even done a real round yet. I hope you guys aren’t losing hope. the player base is toxic. It always has been.

Lord Thane

AdinTheDark lmfao, I'm gonna make that our official motto "the player base is toxic. It always has been".

Yeah I started running ads today to see what kind of interest I might drum up. Building an audience was really easy "age 35-55, entitled man-babies, interests to include bengay, beer, antidepressants, divorced life, marrying second cousins, strategy games".

trupheus

Lord Thane wow. Really nailed the demographic.

Jets

Lord Thane this is perfect for a Thardferr shirt

Lord Thane

trupheus all it's missing is Mountain Dew and anime boobs. Now we wait for the wave of new players to hit 😇

Wild Dogs

run different rounds. make each round different.
have a regular round
have a race based only round(no lithar)
have a round where everyone starts with x amount of resources
have a no initial protection round

hell, have fun

Lord Thane

Wild Dogs we did discuss that last night. Definitely will consider some fun side-rounds once the player base is at a level that can sustain it.