Forging speed

DougEfresh

TheKeeper faster forge production

Xliest

TheKeeper no he only has 6 TC’s he’s a newb, lol:heart: we need faster forge production.

OgGnome

TheKeeper no I'm talking about our forges producing more unless you have over 1:1(even then its not helping much)forges you can't produce enough to keep up with your army. I'm making 131 Slings and Spears. Spears are used for 3 units. Which is fine and dandy. But at the rate that gnomes lose troops you can NOT keep up. Gnomes lose troops at a stupid high pace they should because they have a lot of fodder. But if I make an attack and I lose 1700 RT and Mil... at 131 slings an hour.. that math says it would take 13 hours to make enough slings for that 1 fight.... that's a lot man! Then if you get hit and lose the other half of the army. Your talking 26 hours of building for making 1 hit and hitting 1 times. The whole point of a gnome is produce quick die quick and honestly there's nothing quick about taking 26 hours to rebuild troops from 1 attack and defending that 1 time..

OgGnome

TheKeeper
For example right now I got 58 land.. I got 43 forges. At double optimal level I'm making 154 of each item in armory.. now check this out!!
I made an attack and I'm using the deaths from the attack for my example so mind you I didn't have this many forges at the time.. but fallow me here!

But we lost : 0 Catapult 18 Infantry 616 Militia 1 Rider 1041 Rock thrower 0 Balista

That is 616 Militia and 1041 RT

Now mind you this is the deaths of my troops on an attack that gave me my forge #. and I'm using the # of forges just as a example. So.. if I had the forges I have right now to build those troops back.. it would take me 3 tics for Milita and 7 hours for RT... so before the attack your lookin at 5 or 6 hours of building Militia and 12 or 13 hours of building RT from an attack... and a attack I won.. it's taking gnomes so long to build we don't have gate to use we don't have anything but deaths and rebuild at a fast pace... and 12 or 13 hours to build enough troops from making 1 attack that was won sounds silly. Now.. what happens if I get attacked with retal and pretal and I lose ALL the other half of my army... now because in 1 day I made an attack and got pretaled retaled I'm all kinds of screwed! It will take literally a whole day and a half of NOT being attacked anymore NOT attacking and just building...... I really hope what I just typed made sense and something is done about this! And what's the point of me making 303 slingers an hour if I will NEVER make that many unless I just don't attack and build armory and hope I don't get attacked. The forges for gnomes need a boost bad really bad! There's no way we can keep up with armory if we don't get some kind of boost I feel like all iam doing is building troops and hoping and praying I don't get it. And when I attack I'm hoping I don't lose to much fodder because I'm never going to be able to built it back!

OgGnome

Here's another example!!

There's a gnome he's got 1:1 forges armory tec and is making 337 weapons a tic!! Now look at the losses!

But we lost : 3 Catapult 457 Infantry 3725 Militia 67 Rider 5350 Rock thrower 6 Balista

This attack was won by him now total losses for RT is 5350 divide the total losses by the amount of weapons vuilt an hour.. that's 15.92 HOURS!!!!! ALMOST 16 HOURS on an attack that was WON... imagine if he lost... and how long it would take to make that.. Helen Keller can see there's a problem here!! This is with 1:1 and tech!! Even the losses of inf is ridiculous so either make RT and Mil strong so we don't lose as much or give us more weapons from forges! If not there a broken race! Andddd how the shit biscuits can anyone keep up with resourses with THAT kind of losses and armory building.

Jets

Make more forges

DougEfresh

Jets more than 1:1? You crazy

Lord Thane

I think a bigger bonus makes sense. Maybe we should put an extra production bonus for kingdoms in Alderd and Khardfee.

Xliest

Lord Thane Sure that’s a good place to implement the 10% bonuses but you still need to make it feasible for the whole ecosystem, PLEASE consider gnomes to do 4 weapons per forge at optimal, 6 at double optimal
If elves and orcs are to remain at 2(3 at double op) then make humans 2.5(3.75 at double op) dwarves and undead at 3(4.5 at double op)

We may need to provide additional balance later due to undead being introduced, but I think this is totally fair for a starting point!

Jets

Lord Thane 17 questions. Are the techs complete that increase production? Can we add yet another set of techs for alder and ka to increase blacksmithing production? Perhaps after their first racial tech it's secondary for them.... For science

Jets

DougEfresh did you complete all blacksmithing techs?

Xliest

Jets adding tech that is manditory for some races and optional for others is not good game design. The techs should be slightly balanced, you can already argue that techs favor humans emencly with their 4 light Armor units, that each get +4 defence when all is said and done

DougEfresh

Jets yup. With them it's 2.8 weapons per forge at optimal

Jets

Xliest I thought we were purely talking about blacksmithing production

Xliest

Jets we are. Some someone introduced tech into the conversation I was responding. I hate that you guys are only taking my /s suggestions and running with it. It’s infuriating

Jets

Xliest I said we could expand technologies to address late game short falls. Also, with the resources dump it is no longer a controlled test so we don't even know if you could afford to build the weapons you are wanting to now.

DougEfresh

Jets I spent almost everything in my resouce almost immediately. Except the iron. And I even built farms and mines back to was I had previously

Xliest

Jets I don’t have any extra resources … plus I’m doing calculations not just basing this on feel bro

Jets

DougEfresh @jarockxu would like to hear about your thoughts for gnome armory productions. Would be nice to get gnomes balanced with armory products.

trupheus

Xliest

Did you not get the 100k gift? 😲

DougEfresh

Jets Gnomes in war seem unsustainable. I'm not the one running 1:1 forges that gnomie was talking about. im running more like .5. Cuz the wood cost is still crazy when you throw P+N into it.
But on almost every attack and defense I've had I've lost all my fodder. So upwards of 4000 troops an attack. i currently make just shy of 200 weapons a tick.
So each hit is around 20 hours worth of forging time. With protection being only 15 hours i can't even rebuild my 1.2/1 and 4/1 units.
Unless we gnomes just farm for a week to make a couple days of crazy hits. Gnomes will never be able to endure a drawn out war.

Jets

DougEfresh seems like an increase of productivity is needed. That is about how long it takes me to rebuild as an orc and I do not struggle with armory. Obviously a smaller military but considering you are tossing thousands during operation human shield...

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