An Incentive To Attack

Nolio

I have a suggestion that encourages attacking rather than sitting on one's army.

Troops that are away should cost half of what they do for normal upkeep rather than double as they do now.

I know especially when you're sitting at the top of the KHoF there is very little reason to attack. But if this were the case, then it would be more beneficial to send out armies as often as once could.

I've heard some arguments that say this doesn't make sense because logically troops that are away should cost more, but I say that we should suspend supposed logic for game mechanics that cause the game to function better.

If there are any reasons that you guys can think about for why this would or wouldn't work, I'd love to hear them!

Lord Thane

Nolio good brainstorming, we def need more of this.

The thing I foresee being a problem with reduced upkeep is that the returning troops blow up economy and cause abandonment - then players will be up in arms screaming "this doesn't even make sense, why are solders going to war being paid less, it's not fair!".

Plus, it's one of the canon elements of old Thardferr. It's harmless enough, so I think should be alright to stay. I'd rather buff all resource production or maybe something else to encourage war.

I thought (as I've said 100 times now) casualty caps were the ticket back in week 1 of the first test round, but I don't know if I even think I support THAT idea anymore... Theres gotta be something else better. Make resources more abundant, or make production faster, or make things cheaper - idk.

We need more brainstorming to develop a solution.

King Haybol

Nolio The current mechanics should be fine. Just build more farms every tick to cater the negative foods.

Nolio

Lord Thane I thought about what you said and it seems to me that if returning forces blow up your economy when they get home, it just ends up being another and bigger incentive to attack again as soon as possible!

I understand the cannon aspect, but that's the part where I say I'd rather have the game mechanic make the game more functional than lore accurate.

That said, I really appreciate the feedback!

DougEfresh

Lord Thane tbh i dont agree with this. most top kingdoms send out everything then buy up the food they can for the 18-24 hours so they dont lose troops when they come home.
send you mili out and make more gold and food? everyone will always have 0 home

Jaxx

King Haybol
Im currently at 1.5 farms per land. Its not enough.

Nolio

King Haybol While I appreciate the suggestion to build more farms, this post isn't about it being unsustainable to supply food to an army. I have no problems with maintaining food because I build my Kingdom around these constraints.

What this post is about, is giving an incentive to attack and to attack often.

Currently I see posts and have heard this many times over the many rounds, sending out troops isn't worth it because the food and gold costs are too much.

This means that the problem being created is less attacks because it's detrimental to your kingdom. So to fix that, we make it a bonus to attack, not a penalty.

Nolio

DougEfresh That's the whole point, to have people sending out their army and attacking constantly. If you have 0 troops at home, you'll get attacked constantly, and with retals.

I'm not seeing the downside yet. But I appreciate the input!

saadht

sigh
Everything will be balanced with pop eating less food. Trust me. Try it out and if it doesn’t work come back to 6 food.

In og game attacking was more sustainable as pop didn’t eat. Make them eat sure but 6 per makes my pop fat. I want them on a diet so my combats can be away. 2-3 per should balance. I know I’m a broken record but can we please try it out for a week?

Nolio

saadht I do prefer how that system worked when your population didn't have to eat. But maybe you're right and there needs to be a balance somewhere between what it currently is and what it used to be.

Xliest

saadht lol saad, for once we might agree on this point. But your numbers. Are messed up pop eats 1 food per 6 peasants, so what you are saying is you want to cut this number in half roughly so one food will feed 12 or more peasants. It’s worth a try, and if we don’t like the result can always change it back. Or balance it more to something like 1/9 or 1/15 there are lots of easy options…

Thecatman

Yah food is a pain even as orc. Running more farms right now is the only answer which isn't great because our building ratios are so tight to begin with. Maybe irrigation just needs to be better to balance out peasants eating. Or maybe markets could affect food production(maybe a tech?) since the peasants on your farms gotta sell their food somewhere

Lord Thane

My peons are only consuming 1/3 of my current food supply, but it would be nice if they ate even less - free up some build space to blow elsewhere. Maybe someone throw up a poll about changing food stuff and let's see what the sweaty masses say.

At least it's on the road to making attacking more attractive.

TheKeeper

Lord Thane I vote, let's do a new tech tree, that really works as a tree, with mutually exclusive options, such as 1 reducing the population's food OR 2 causing fewer buildings to be lost in a battle,

Muh Dude

TheKeeper I like the idea of actual tech tree branches. Even though I make terrible decisions, it still sounds fun

trupheus

My plebs eat 100% of my food supply. 5:1 houses and .5 farms to make that happens. Yet somehow I’m still out of gold.