I do agree that defenders should get longer protection times though! Fairs, fair.

if its war, whats wrong with pre retals then?
also if your gunna shit on people for logical arguments. maybe use one in response as well?

    DougEfresh players don't like pretals, as per the majority of votes. People like CLI, as per the majority of votes.

    Now we can fine tune it as needed, but it's not going anywhere, especially not after just 3 attacks in the game have happened (not counting the guys jerking each other off in the corner).

    I think we'll probably end up giving retals CLI and see how that goes, so people feel more comfortable trying to get their castle back. It will slow the pace down a bit, but then everyone gets a fair chance. We'll probably end up increasing the defender protection times too since there's been a lot of discussion on that already.

        DougEfresh hey fair point, all things mentioned in your post can be adjusted and iterated on. I just think you guys aren't even willing to try something new to fix a problem this game has had since the beginning. Feeding someone a bunch of castles and then crying over the new system when it's literally been active for 4 HOURS is laughable.

            DougEfresh my response was logical, if you could read correctly.

            you: attackers get too much bonus.
            me: its a war game, people want attacker bonus.
            you: why are we canceling pretals then?
            me: because the players want to.
            you: REEEEEEEE!

            See? Totally logical. What we could use from you detractors of CLI is logic, but you guys can't come up with anything.

              I tried asking that in hotline and nobody wanted to build me a castle! I was pretty bummed…

              Thecatman as i said, thats not my issue. acting like someone being fed castles is a new thing. it isnt. CLI just made it easier by a bit.

              and of course the noone likes getting pre retaled. but imo that what make this thardferr. you need to to work with people to fight. Now we will just get stuck in 1vs1 where the bigger guy will still win.

                so we change a base mechanic cuz some people cant make friends?

                Lord Thane so they need to make friends, not break the long standing game play.

                if we had the player base we had back in the 90s and early 00s, this might work, but I was hit and wiped almost completely off the map 49 seconds out of initial protection, while at work and unable to do anything, so there went half my land, a castle, and all but 24 troops. Then the hour rolled and half my remaining peasants died.
                By the time I have access to do anything with my kingdom, I'm down to less than 10 hours pro.
                We're not kids anymore. Most of us HAVE kids now. And jobs. Lives outside the world wide web.

                15 hours pro for defense is just a slap in the face, specially when the attacker ALSO gets pro. Attackers never got protection because they are SUPPOSED to keep enough army home for defense. Now they get to throw everything at their target and don't have to worry about anyone but the kingdom they just wiped the floor with.

                    What do provinces have to do with anything?

                      Wait are you saying that just joining a prov with someone makes you part of their group? Lol provs don't mean anything

                        LadyKaeleer one of the big bonuses with CLI is your castle won't be passed (because that's what happens, meaning the person that attacked you is still in protection whether we had CLI or not), so you can still get it back, and the attacker won't "throw everything" because they know you have a retal coming.

                        And we're most likely going to give retals CLI, so you'll be well protected to take your castle back - especially considering the guy that you retalled won't have a retal to get you back.

                        This makes the game MUCH more casual.

                        Also, I think Keeper is going to add longer protection times on defense as part of a tech tree, so that's a possibility coming too.

                            Thecatman how long have you been playing? Provinces are the original alliances, your neighbors, your FRIENDS.

                              Thecatman maybe not to you, random person ive never heard of. but when i first joined the game, thats how i met people. and became friends with, worked with.

                              Lord Thane yes it is fun, unfortunately it seems the few alliances ruined that fun for the majority of un-allied players who wished for the tactic to end.

                              the game is built around grouping up with your province.
                              i dont agree with massive alliances. but if i wanted to 1v1 people id just play a pve game