Regarding CLI, Keeper's official announcement

LadyKaeleer

skigglez this isn't an airport, no need to announce your departure.

xiAo-Shin Star

@"skigglez"#p
Drop your shit KD before you walk out that door. I will test out the CLI on you. I will show you the way that you are so convinced to yourself that this is needed and fair.
You can't drop it? why? Are you scared of taking advantage the CLI against you?
Trust me once I know your KD, I will show you the way how to get out from this.

Lord Thane

xiAo-Shin Star it was a lame attempt since there was no abuse of CLI at all. They could do the same exact thing whether CLI was there or not. I don't know how you can't see that. So no, L19 doesn't change a thing, in fact it just proves CLI is a great addition - look at what lengths toxic players will go to protect their pre-re.

TheKeeper

LadyKaeleer WIth or without CLI, L19 would have exactly the same result.
Believe me, I checked all the logs, and didn't found nothing strange, the thing L19 did, was weird, but legit.

The problem is people "feels" it's CLI abuse, but, with or without, we reach the same result.

As well, the strategy doesn't work in long term at all, if the main attacker needs to rebuild all the land.

I'm aware that CLI may lead to crazy scenarios, in that case, we'll act accordingly and improving it if we need to.

Oh! also, CLI is now completely optional

LadyKaeleer

TheKeeper they are working within your rules to show you how broken they are.
And you're acting like it's proof this was a good idea.

Whatcha smoking, and where can I get some? Cause it must be some daaaaank shit.

xiAo-Shin Star

TheKeeper

Omg my head hurts. Of course it is legit. They are just showing you how it gets abused and manipulated. With or without CLI they will still do it, the difference is this time we have CLI where they can be untouchable. That is what they are showing you under your rules. Showing you how the game is fked. But yeah you can't see that, so nothing matters anymore.

Leo

TheKeeper

WIth or without CLI, L19 would have exactly the same result.

Not exactly the same. But, i feel i have to address one critical difference that no one mentioned so far. The ability to gain the castle back with pre-re. That will be a rather long post from me trying to cover as much as i can from both perspectives. So, work being the priority currently i will reply with a longer post later on.

Leo

TheKeeper

WIth or without CLI, L19 would have exactly the same result.

I forgot to explain why not exactly the same:

There is the obvious one: Putting the reciever kingdom under 15h protection for him to build up, he would be down a castle and some land and the kingdom doing this would end up 2 castles out of protection waiting to be halved by an enemy. So, in previous version you needed to feed a castle to an enemy as well. Also 24h instead of 15h build up time. Small but helpful incentives.

So, the question is why we did this round but not earlier? It is not just to challange CLI. Because, i believed it to be the best opener for a round under new rules. If people played several rounds with the new rules sooner or later one group would come up with this idea naturally.

Why not do the same without CLI? Because, castle passing is a lame tactic. Can be your last resort in some scenarios that is fine. Not a game breaking issue. But without CLI i knew i can rely on my provmates. Therefore we could choose to stick together instead of going for a lame tactic.

With CLI i can't really rely on them. The whole purpose of CLI is to remove that aspect due to being unfair to others who can't. Is that too bad? Who knows? Unfortunately "at least i" couldn't even come to think about that due to the approach. My approach was to first fix the flaws and give it a try. But, i couldn't get past the denial of even the simplest point of abuse.

That is the main difference why i think with CLI, passing is the best opener for a round, but without CLI you are fine to go either way.

Lord Thane

LadyKaeleer a loud minority doesn't change anything if they don't have any actual logic behind their argument. So yes, it's all dismissed.

Leo

Lord Thane

Not playing the game makes you a "multi".. Interesting definition of multi. Where;

It may be their strategy to support their provmate,
It may be that passer kd will not be able to be active for sometime but start playing 1 month later
It may be that they joined the round just for this purpose and like to play that way
It may be that they decide to stop playing at some point

none of those makes you a multi as long as it is a real player with 1 account.

Lord Thane

Leo it's a functional multi, so yes, deletion.

By your logic I can go pay 5 bums on the street $5 and have them sign up for an account and send me all their resources. They're not multis, right? Nah, that's a multi with extra steps and will face the same consequences.

Lord Thane

LadyKaeleer how does it prove anything? Again, the detractors of CLI haven't given a single bit of logic behind it. Just "SEE?!", yeah I see 5 guys feeding 1, doesn't have anything to do with CLI.

It's sad how flat the L19 stunt has fallen on its face. If they put as much effort into brainstorming ideas maybe they could come up with something that would have had an actual impact.

Leo

Lord Thane

I told you the same when this was being voted. At that time you told and i can't quote because can't find it but basically "it is ok if you want to play that type of boring gamestyle". Now i find it weird you changing your mind about it.

Lord Thane

xiAo-Shin Star they would be untouchable either way, it would make no difference. You keep saying CLI enabled them, I'm not sure how you think that, makes no sense.

TheKeeper

Lord Thane Just check, her post history, I'm aware now, she's trolling us, 0% constructive feedback.

I'm an old grumpy man with low tolerance, please be respectful addressing me @LadyKaeleer

Leo

TheKeeper

This changes nothing but some research time to activate CLI as it gives the kingdom a clear advantage over the ones who don't have. So, everyone should and will need to research it unless kingdoms with CLI can't attack kingdoms without it which is not viable due to low player count.

xiAo-Shin Star

Lord Thane
No, if CLI is not there, they are not untouchable, pre-re is there. We can wage an all out attack without worrying about getting retailed and gets CLI.

Lord Thane

TheKeeper that's true, which is funny as they grasp for the toxic gameplay that got us here in the first place.

Lord Thane

Leo who changed their mind? I wrote back then the same thing I wrote now = as long as those feeders are real players then it's just a weird strategy. A real player doesn't create an account, feed 1 player, then quit. That's just a functional multi. If those 5 players keep playing the whole round then there's no problem, they can even keep trying to be feeders the whole round if they want, it's not my time they're wasting.

Leo

Lord Thane

To me that seems to be the only way to support a friend and that is what i intend to do. But, i might need to stop playing due to real life issues. That doesn't make me a multi nor my actions till that time.

Lord Thane

xiAo-Shin Star no, you can't pre-re because the fed kd would pass a castle back to his friends for protection. Also, he only took castles from his friends, so there's nobody to get a retal - regardless of CLI or not.

xiAo-Shin Star

Lord Thane
God you're so positive and stuck on topic. Again, even there is castle passing it's not to the point where the retal will passed away because of the protection. With your CLI here, you are under protection until the retal is gone.

Lord Thane

xiAo-Shin Star yes that's the main point of CLI, prevent pre-re. With no pre-re there's no castle passing.

People will think of other creative ways to take down a larger kingdom.

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