Foundational Concepts (My Thoughts)

skigglez

CyberPtra
That situation was possible before CLI lol. He could sit in protection forever through castle passing. Thane has explained this to you dolts in multiple other threads and you still keep using that as the reason CLI is bad. If that’s your big example then you have nothing. Personally i don’t care that there’s 1 really strong guy. If that’s the sacrifice to get the game to a healthy state, sounds good to me

Lord Thane

CyberPtra if you're going to feed AI to write all your replies, at least feed it all the information correctly so it doesn't puke out so much misinformation.

CLI didn't enable a "kingmaker" situation. The only difference it made in the end result was the fed kingdom got 6 hours more protection than if CLI didn't exist.

Ultimately, it's a fair strategy to employ - whether CLI exists or not. As long as the feeder kingdoms are real players. Note, since a few (willfully ignorant) people seem to misunderstand what a real player is = a player that creates a kingdom just to feed another kingdom and then quit playing the game is not a real player, that is obviously a functional multi. Which is why the l19 "kingmaker" attempt failed and will get excommunicado.

CyberPtra

Lord Thane

I respect your thoughts and dedication to the game, and that CLI is a solution. Hence I said that the plan was poorly executed. I believe (and I can be wrong), the idea was to show that the cycle can be worse with CLI (not that it had to be, I think the group was trying to prove a point). Nevertheless, I will adapt and play to the current rules/environment. Like I said, I am just posting my thoughts from what I am perceiving. I am neither agreeing or disagreeing...

CyberPtra

skigglez

I get where you're coming from. You're not wrong—getting pre-retaled for more than you gain feels brutal, and it punishes any attempt at being proactive. When the guaranteed outcome of attacking is losing twice, that kills the incentive to engage.

At the same time, I want to clarify that I’m not defending castle-passing either. Castle-passing is super annoying, especially when it's used to keep attackers in protection and avoid any consequences. But unlike CLI, castle-passing still comes with some risks—especially if it's mistimed or if attackers anticipate the move. Castle-Passing is also a way that they kingdoms have essentially pre-retaliate themselves.

In the blended model I proposed earlier, those risks would increase:

Shorter CLI means more vulnerability to retaliation.
Delayed but still active pre-retal windows introduce strategic decision points.
Castle-passing isn’t eliminated, but it becomes less of a get-out-of-jail-free card.
-- Passed kingdom still has to overcome basic defenses built or kept (eg. 9 hour duration)

Using AI to clarify in some of my responses to make thoughts more concise. My thoughts are sometimes just scattered. And I want to present in a clear with less emotion. Trying to state situation from my perspective.

Jaxx

boohoo, look at me i got power.

Lord Thane

Jaxx you don't even have the balls to hit reply to anyone, just toss your trolling whiney comments out. You could try coming up with positive ideas and improvements - then your opinion could matter. As it is, we might as well boot you off the forums since you have nothing useful to contribute, and the game will develop better without your useless negativity around.

Thecatman

CyberPtra You are right, it's something that's going to be very difficult to balance and figure out.

From my perspective as a player in a smaller group the pre/re system is basically guaranteed to cap my progress throughout the round because I only have 2-3 people I can ask for help but the people we are going against have 20. There is nothing in the game that can make up those odds. The group with the +1 pretal wins, my group will get run over immediately with no recourse whatsoever.

BUT with CLI at least I can take the initiative and hit someone and earn protection for it, rewarding me for being aggressive and not farming. One system punishes me for attacking and the other rewards it.

Another reason I believe CLI to be at least worth a try is lets say there's a certain loudmouth in a big alliance that I want to take down a peg or two, which system do you think would be better for me to do that?

King Haybol

When will be the L19 becomes ex-communicado? I do love to get one those castles. Hahaha 😅😅😅

Lord Thane

King Haybol sorry, going to have to dismiss the castles so as not to unbalance the round to whoever sees it first. The land is fair game though - just be careful not to make yourself too fat br grabbing too much when the time comes 😆

Lord Thane

CyberPtra that's what the plan has always been, we rolled it out and now we'll tune it to work best depending on how things go. Giving retals CLI was part of that process.

I'm liking the idea of not giving CLI below a KS % to reduce bottom feeding, but other than that I think we're just going to see how the rest of the round goes as people play their strategies with CLI.

Thecatman

Who cares if someone runs away with the round? Lol us small guys never had a chance anyways and it's not like we are going to take on a 20 player alliance and bring him down. It's players from large groups that create these problems and then complain about them 😂. That stunt proves absolutely nothing and if one group decides they are all going to give up their round to feed one player all the power to them, we will just stay below the big guy and pick off the weaklings

CyberPtra

Lord Thane

Yep. Just trying to think of solutions. Looking at the Guardhouse suggestion in the other post 😁. Individuals adjusting accordingly.

DougEfresh

How did they give up their round? A couple people got halved one tick oop. Like that doesn't happen every round.

Thecatman

Wait I thought that it was only possible because the devs added CLI?

skigglez

Exposed CLI with the thing that happens every round haha. Classic

DougEfresh

Cli didn't make that problem it's just made it easier to abuse for more protection. Cmon it's been said multiple time now.
And I'm not gunna argue about it anymore. It's obviously pointless.

Lord Thane

DougEfresh 1 player abusing multis and getting 6 extra hours of protection out of it thanks to cli isn't the flex against cli you think it is.

skigglez

DougEfresh
Who was he abusing it against? He only took castles from his friends and is now too high to take a castle from anyone else. The round should be pretty boring for him, but that’s due to his choices. The rest of us don’t care because we’re not likely to interact with that kingdom

DougEfresh

Lord Thane lol multis

Lord Thane

DougEfresh yep, functional multis = multis. It's common sense. Lacking common sense isn't an excuse, especially since I warned Saadht beforehand that if they did that plan they had better be sure their friends were planning to actually play the game.

Jets

Lord Thane I would assume...there was activity and once the castles were passed the activity dropped off and became stagnant. Especially since we have a vacation mode and small player base...wouldn't take much to figure out.

I guess I just don't understand why some would go to such lengths to be on top vs playing the game as intended. It's a shame really. This just makes me disappointed, and we are adults, we already have enough disappointment in our lives now.

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