ELF race might be too OP.

King Haybol

Lord Thane Okay, I don't mind losing that battle. What's confusing here is that three of us were attacking one opponent at the same tick. 🤔🤔🤔

Lord Thane

AdinTheDark ooooooo, that's a good point! I don't think I saw anything that actually removed the mage's melee immunity when using that strat.

I just checked to confirm there is code in the calcs that is giving them the buffs, just nothing that removes their melee invisibility.

I'll try working up a patch for this when I get back inside - time for my end of workday cigar 🙂

FriendsInSpace

Aren't mages immune to close combat damage, therefore 2x 0 is still 0? Sounds like it's working as written haha

Lord Thane

FriendsInSpace not with the energy gathering strat on, the game guide says:

"defense increased by 2 during the melee fighting because of semi-working invisibility. Wizard close combat damages doubled"

That part wasn't built in... So the energy gathering has been giving the benefits, with none of the downside. Elfs might want to reconsider using that strat, as it will put their Mages at additional risk.

FriendsInSpace

Lord Thane Wizard close combat damages doubled is what I was referring to. Double 0 is still 0.

I'm just being a pain in the ass, I know that's not how it was intended, but man most of the legacy descriptions of things are a pain to decipher.

AdinTheDark

Lord Thane "defense increased by 2 during the melee fighting because of semi-working invisibility.

@FriendsInSpace
Doesn’t seem that hard

TheKeeper

FriendsInSpace

DougEfresh

AdinTheDark reading hard

FriendsInSpace

AdinTheDark

DougEfresh

Yes reading General Shadows broken English descriptions of anything in this game is hard. I'll give you a great example, which is the surrounding strat for orc:

Shadow Warriors defense increased by 2 because of thier hiding skills. All Shadow Warriors damages dealt in the Short-ranged attack phase.C hances of being detected by enemies increased by 25%

Now reading this, how would you interpret it? Because if you are consistent with how I think you should interpret every other strat, shadow warriors shouldn't take any damage other than in short range. Which means against Elf, Gnome, Undead and basically every Dwarf because runners are useless, shadow warriors should be immortal as there are no units (except useless runners) that deal short range in any of those armies.

But if you mean to say damages is meant to be the damage output of the unit, then what about Archer Protection or Infantry attack? Archer protection would be literally the worst strat in the game, and infantry attack just makes no sense.

All of the above is just me being pedantic, its the quality my wife loves the most about me....

Lord Thane

TheKeeper 😂

AdinTheDark

FriendsInSpace damages dealt

It wasn’t wrote by Gen Shadow.
It was wrote by Abakar (or how ever you spelt his name. Usually just called him Abby)
Abby was extra French Canadian. So yeah it can be weird.

But. It literally says all damages dealt. He just didn’t know what “is” was maybe.

DougEfresh

FriendsInSpace attack is attack, damages is damage taken.
Also Gen Shadow didn't write the game guide.

FriendsInSpace

AdinTheDark

DougEfresh

Abakar, that's the name I couldn't remember. The problem is consistency, nowhere else does the term "damages" get used for attack damage dealt. Attack is used instead.

Lord Thane

I've added a tentative fix for this so Mage loses invisibility if using their special strategy. I don't have time to test it though, so we'll see how it goes lol 🙂

AdinTheDark

Lord Thane

I guess technically they wouldn’t lose it in short range lol

Cora

Lord Thane shouldn’t it be at a % loss of invisibility? The strategy says they “sometimes allowing opponent units to see them” and “semi-working invisibility” for mage damage doubled.

Lord Thane

AdinTheDark they're getting the defensive buff in short range so I'm gonna allow the loss of invisibility there 😵‍💫

AdinTheDark

Lord Thane

I get that. So the double damage taken in melee will be added correctly later?

Lord Thane

AdinTheDark I need to talk with Keeper about that. It's confusing, so it could go either way. Currently it's a buff, so we have to decide if we actually want it to be a nerf or leave as is.

On that note we did decide we're gonna ditch the nostalgia and rewrite the game guide at some point, so we can get rid of some of the nonsense. Changing the menu from The Kingdom to The Province was the beginning of that process.

DougEfresh

if eventually gunna be fixed so its in melee tho right?

TheKeeper

Lord Thane We'll builting a great one

skigglez

Lord Thane
Does this include the caragous description? 😃

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