I thought this was broken?

skigglez

DougEfresh
I hate to admit it, but I 100% agree with you. Just think of the number of family member elf accounts that are gonna pop up next round to sit 1/3 of the average KS and bomb EQs on people.

TheKeeper

EQ It's hard capped up to 30%

Lord Thane

DougEfresh I think you think we don't care about your opinion because you like to make weird statements that people have to guess about your intent.

You think we don't care about a balance with magic systems or you think hybol is a multi or you think family/friends shouldn't be able to play or coordinate with each other? Don't really understand what point you keep whistfully trying to make, or what you think we should be doing to fix whatever it is you think is wrong.

DougEfresh

Lord Thane i wont touch the haybol is a multi thing now. wink he knows what i know
haybol bounced back cuz he got fed, skiggles hasnt yet.
i think the spells are overpowered. you guys say they arent.
its your game, im just existing in it.
ive also drank 5 pints of whisky soda. so why are you listening to me?

TheKeeper

Isn't broken , you needed 5:1 schools to destroy 30% of a Kingdom, that means you are missing military and production spots, it makes you weak to regular attacks.

Also, You can't EQ a lot at that potency, you need a lot of time to "charge" your wizzards and EQ again, and you are at disadvantage too, because pre/re can apply.

Nolio

TheKeeper The way that Thane describes magic use seems to contradict this in my mind. Right now we're talking about using the spells on larger kingdoms, but consider if this was a kingdom 1/3 the size of the elf. He could cast 10 or more EQs in one hour. Given the fact that the smaller the ks, the more likely and the more potent the spell is, it's exponential the damage to smaller kingdoms.

skigglez

TheKeeper
Pre/re if he isn’t in protection, because for some reason offensive spells both don’t break the caster’s protection and can be used on kingdoms in protection

Lord Thane

Nolio I think that power projection capability makes sense, unless everyone wants to go down the road of nerfing and buffing magic the way we did with attacks. We can setup anti-bottom-cssting ks rule, a scaling ks penalty for casting <100% ks, and add special CLI protection for people casted on, but then maybe give the caster CLI if they cast upwards, etc.

That all sounds silly to me though, the game is meant to be war and magic, players ignoring the magic part to focus on war are missing out on a fun aspect of the game too. Magic is a threat, people should adjust their strategies - as a gnome I made the investment and went 1:1 school and around 8:1 wizards, it wasn't that bad on my overall build and I feel better protected.

skigglez

DougEfresh
Yeah normal kingdoms without Haybol’s “network” will take multiple days to rebuild those kind of losses.

Lord Thane

DougEfresh well, I do have some interesting ideas for catching very advanced multis (people using VPN, etc). But I still don't think there's a multi problem at the moment. I'll be setting up that system soon regardless though, more advanced detection.

We could consider adding a new rule about it though, something like family/household players can't share info like TS, etc. it wouldn't be hard to spot, since we know the players in the same households, so if one of them cast a TS and then the other made the attack within x hours, call it illegal colluding or something I guess... I don't know if it's such a problem that we need it though.

Fireball is capped, eq is capped, and it's taking extraordinary/unsustainable measures to reach those limits. I wouldn't say that necessarily constitutes magic as being overpowered, especially when the defenders have had feeble magic defenses.

Anyways, I read all your comments, bEcAuSe I CaRe 😘

King Haybol

DougEfresh Sorry Doug, but I haven't received or asked for any aid since day one. I'm purely managing my KD very well.❤️❤️❤️

DougEfresh

Lord Thane 1:1 schools as a gnome? Race traitor!

Nolio

Lord Thane You have the insider information on how that affects your kingdom, we don't. So we can't make an informed decision about whether that's a good idea for our kingdoms.

I hope that 1:1 schools works for you, but with the awful upkeep and poor ability to cast, it seems like a terrible idea to give up that much land for something that may or may not do anything?

If you broke down the mechanics and let us see how it's supposed to work, we could make that decision for ourselves. There would still always be mystery and unknowns, like you don't know what the opponent has or what luck you got on the 300 sided di roll, which means no one can min max.

I truly believe you should publish as much of the mechanics as possible. It will make new players enjoy it more, and it will make people who dive into mechanics rewarded with their efforts. Please consider this

DougEfresh

Lord Thane im not accusing anyone of anything here. we just have history.

Nolio 100% this game is numbers and politics. noone likes the mystery

saadht

Lord Thane

Just couldn't stay away from this one.

You do have a name for it. "Functional multi." Or is that just reserved for people you don't like?

Lord Thane

Nolio I only started building schools and wizards after people started posting fireballs and earthquake reports lol

I know the mechanics of how it works, I don't know who my enemies are or ratios they're running or what kind of success rolls they might get. At first I thought a modest defense would be good at .25 schools, but then I found going up to .50 was pretty easy, and then going to 1 somehow worked out. I just invested less in mills and houses. Don't think I will go any higher than this ratio, and also don't think it will make much of a difference if some maniac with 5:1 schools and 13k wizards comes along.

I think releasing all technical info could be fun, definitely something to consider some day.

trupheus

Lord Thane don't think it will make much of a difference if some maniac with 5:1 schools and 13k wizards comes along.

You trying to sweet talk me? Because it’s working. This just makes my morning dump the best.

skigglez

Lord Thane
Are you attacking at all this round? If no, that might skew your analysis of how easy it is to incorporate 1 school per land and that many wizards for magic defense. I know gnomes have a hard enough time as it is to keep up with weapons, can't imagine it's even remotely viable on someone who is actively attacking vs someone farming/defending. Maybe you could compensate the lost economy with selling or making your own MP?

Lord Thane

saadht if a family member is actively playing and engaging with the game and other players as a real player would do, then it's not a functional multi.

If they only login to send aid or cast a spell for you and that's all they do, then yes obviously that's a functional multi.

I think this question of what constitutes a multi is just common sense. If people are doing this type of thing with their family member, then they shouldn't be surprised if they get excommunicado at some point once I get more advanced detection in place. But even doing manual investigations I haven't seen suspicious activity on accused players yet.

skigglez

trupheus
I hope your finger breaks through the toilet paper

Thecatman

Now we know what time you use the bathroom in the morning. Not sure what we are going to do with that info but we have it

Lord Thane

skigglez no, not attacking. I have gotten attacked lots, lost 4-5 castles, bounced a bunch of attacks. I know it's not the same as actively attacking though. If everyone is investing into magic, then everyone's economies and militaries should shrink together... Or, people can stick to pure military and risk it. Even just 0.5 schools and something like 10 wiz/land should be basically standard for everyone I think.

Yes that's exactly what I do about the lost economy, during the day I use my wiz, and that saves me the cost of buying MP - that alone is saving me around 400k gp per day. Then my wiz get to be full power at night while I'm sleeping - more protection while I'm unable to respond to threats.

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