I thought this was broken?

skigglez

Lord Thane
Please also look at failed offensive spells not giving retals - which they currently do not. That makes no sense at all either - should be exactly the same as a failed attack. Would create a lot of incentive for people to build magic defense

Lord Thane

Cora yeah I don't see anything about breaking protection, the only block on spells is during the initial new player protection period.

I'm going to add a rule so that Fireball and Earthquake will break protection. We'll say the destructive nature of those spells require such immense dark energy that a side-effect is that a kingdom's protective barrier dissolves if they choose to cast it.

Other, lesser offensive spells like Famine or Truesight will not harm the protection barrier.

Cora

Lord Thane thank you!

trupheus

Lord Thane

100000% anything that damages a kingdom should break protection. I didn’t realize it didn’t or I would have done things different.

Earlier this round I sent a FB at someone I had retal on. This ended up giving a retal out to the magic defender and I still had my retal. Seems like you should be able to pick one or the other. Hit them back sure, but do you want to do it with magic or military. Then it’s a wash and neither kingdom has a retal on the other.

Brings the thought of having 2 types of retal rights. One for spells and one for magic. Forgo one or the other if you choose. It leaves you open to attack from the other, but running a balanced kingdom lets you play in both spaces.

Food for thought.

trupheus

skigglez

Put some respect on the fallen. 61 mages and 61 EA died along side 5 swords, lances, and archers.

You’re cute when you’re mad. Keep throwin insults buddy. These elves are made up of great people. Some really good elves. This community is strong. This place has been kicked battered bruised and I can tell you leader speak all day long. I can give you I’m going to EQ all day long. None of that matters and you guys done want to hear it anyway you’ve heard enough of that shit. Here’s what I do know. This kingdom is going to take on the identity of this game and this game has been down and it found a way to get up. It’s found a way to overcome adversity. This kingdom is gonna be built on we’re gonna kick ya in the teeth. When you punch as back we’re gonna smile at you and when you knock us down we’re gonna get up and on the way up we’re gonna bite a knee cap off. And we’re gonna stand up and it’s gonna take two more shots to knock us down and on the way up we’re gonna take your other knee cap. And we’re gonna get up and then it’s gonna take 3 shots to take us down. And when we do we’re gonna take another bunk out of ya. Before long we’re gonna be the last one standing.

skigglez

trupheus
Why would I be mad? I've never made any posts about you or messaged you first ever. I've only ever responded to your messages to me in game and your forum posts about me. YOU are the one who made posts at my expense for clout from the community because of your "cool" EQ. I actually apologized to you and said I would leave you alone for the rest of the round, to which you responded in kind and even offered to cast for me (all while conspiring against me with your allies which led up to the before mentioned EQ). You paint this narrative that my actions are somehow toxic for simply attacking you in the game, and telling you to stop whining when you complained about it. You also messaged one of my friends who attacked you once earlier in the round and threatened him. Perhaps it is you who is the toxic one. You aren't worth the time it takes me to write these responses, so this is the last time I will engage with you here. Hang in there champ, it'll all be ok!

Cora

trupheus do you mean you’re actually going to make the hit yourself and not pay someone else to do it for you and then take the castle from them? Wow, impressive.

trupheus

well that was fun. 1699 buildings destroyed

Lord Thane

trupheus holy shit, that zoinks... But your kingdom is wrecked. Time to rebuild from the ashes lol

skigglez

too bad I had a soul read on you and knew you were too much of a child to pass that up 🙁

skigglez

at least now Keeper and Thane will realize the issue with offensive spells from tiny kingdoms and changes will be made for the good

Lord Thane

skigglez sorry to say it, but I don't think this stunt moved the needle about nerfing magic.

Adding the new rule today that FB/EQ removes protection from the caster is a good step, but don't see any other major changes for now.

I mean look at Trupheus's kingdom, he was top-30, and now a day or so later is barely top-60. That's the glass part of becoming a glass cannon. And with the new protection breaking status of using FB/EQ it's even more dangerous for a caster to do that. It was basically suicide, but I think Trupheus knew that and just wanted to have fun with it, and it was a fun spectacle for sure.

Realistically though, we can't nerf magic just because one person ran a completely non-sensical and unsustainable build of pure magic, pushing the boundaries of what was possible... It was a fun stunt, but that's all it is, it's not a viable strategy to win. Maybe for an alliance to take down one of the top kingdoms in a coordinated effort, but other than that it's just a glass cannon waiting to get cracked.

TheKeeper

skigglez I talked to Thane, we'll do some changes soon,

skigglez

Lord Thane
656 buildings originally, 1699 a day later for a total of 2355 buildings, all from someone 1/2 of my KS. The second round I was 84k KS and he was 44k KS, I had 1:1 schools and 5 wizards per land as a Dwarf. There has to be some way to scale offensive spells so that they are impactful to people that are around your kingdom strength, but useless to those at the extreme highs and lows (similar to bottom feeding, but in the case of spells would need to have something to prevent "upfeeding" like this). If what happened to me is by design, then the system is seriously flawed. I know before you said it should be possible because of how long it took him to get those wizards rested, but 1700 buildings in a one day turnaround is just broken and dumb.

skigglez

and the only reason his kingdom is wrecked is because I anticipated him doing it on his last tick of protection. If i didn't I would have woken up to a completely ruined kingdom and he would be resting his wizards on his way to zero another person twice his size a day later.

TheKeeper

Lord Thane The same would be happened if a person builds a lot of ATC and GH, It is not sustainable, but can break a huge kingdom aswell...

skigglez

Lord Thane
I don't care about his kingdom standing, I care about the people he does it to not having the ability to interact with his kingdom and he has that kind of power over them. You say it was a fun spectacle, maybe for the outsiders observing it. I certainly don't enjoy losing weeks of progress because something like this is possible. It was only suicide for him because I figured he would do it at the exact time that he did. If I didn't, he would be completely fine and would have a castle passed to him for a full day of protection to rest his wizards (which is what he did after the original EQ a day ago) and do the same thing to another person in my province. An unsuspecting kingdom would have no ability to take any of the retals if they didn't rebuild that tick or the next because all of their GH were just destroyed. It's so obviously problematic to anyone looking at it objectively, and I hope that something changes as a result of this.

xiAo-Shin Star

Lord Thane

It's pretty useless if the caster gets OOP with Off spells if you get army loses penalty or no CLI when you take your retal. Who's dumb to get out of prot just to get his retal after a massive EQed and attack..

The best solution for it is to nerf Off spells or create another magic defense spell.. having schools to defend magic is not a solution.

Lord Thane

TheKeeper yeah that's what I'm saying. Like build 0 troops and all magic and sit in top 30, see how long that lasts lol. Not a viable strategy, so not something I think we should be worrying about.

As a temporary thing, it could be a cool 1 or 2 week strat from an alliance. They could feed 1 kingdom to convert to full magic, disband all military, then once fully powered up unleash hell on a target.

Not something they could keep up though I don't think. Glass cannon will get squashed so fast. I mean shoot, you get 4 EQ then you get 4 retals, get a lot of your buildings back the easy way.

skigglez

TheKeeper
Someone running lots of ATC units and GH is not breaking a kingdom double their size, it's not possible. And even if they did break them, all they would take is a castle and land. They wouldn't inflict 2300 buildings worth of damage to them in a day. The 2 scenarios are so drastically different, it's a comical comparison if I'm being honest

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