A thought on EQ

skigglez

AdinTheDark
Took me almost a week to fully recover with the help of my allies, all from someone 1/2 my ks. Clearly EQ was overtuned and way too powerful. Pretty sure Thane said upfeeding reductions were too far down the code when calculating the damage too, which may have contributed to the level of destruction. After his updates i don’t think you can do that sort of damage to anyone double your KS, even with the number of wizards/schools used against me. Would be interesting to see if there’s been any recent EQs, from my understanding there’s little to no elves going high wizards and attempting offensive magic

trupheus

You either offensively cast and absolutely destroy kingdoms so they can’t retaliate or you do nothing. Otherwise you’re just giving out free pre/re. Sure you can coordinate and cast then enter CLI but that’s just going to be even castles or down for the caster and the person EQd still comes out ahead after the retal.

Fireball is a laugh. Oh darn my population is gone. It doesn’t cost anything to refill houses you already had. Get natural growth and speed it up.

The damage was because it was a series of EQ in a short period of time. Hypothetically 10 EQs that destroy 30% would reduce a kingdom to less than 3% of their starting value. As the caster, after a couple pre and all 5 retals being taken I ended up with 11 land 2 castles. The person that was EQd? Still had the land. Still had the castles, actually probably was up in total land and castles because of 5 retals.

And now with the system put in place offensively casting is pointless if you’re smaller trying to cast up. All that was done is protecting the delicate flower big kingdoms.

Lord Thane

trupheus well, the difficulty increase for casting up should have always been there, so nothing changed with casting up. All I did was nerf it casting down, so a large kingdom can't insanely easily ass blast smaller kingdoms - we don't need to wait for one elf to obliterate 20 smaller kingdoms in 1 tick to preemptively take action against that.

trupheus

Lord Thane

Well I sit corrected I absolutely read that backwards. Whoopsadoodle.

Nolio

Lord Thane I'm glad you did. It would have ended up like Flower did in the beta otherwise. Before Zephirion quit he had switched to 2:1 schools. My guess is because of how OP EQ would have been from first place. He had over 30k wizards when I hit him. Now, if he had EQ tech at the time, he could have used 2:1 wizards on every player from the second page onwards and wiped them all out with wizards to spare, anytime he felt like it. So I think that change was necessary and good

Lord Thane

Nolio holy cow, I didn't even realize he deleted. Whyyyyy? Was the shame of losing his hit on a gnome that bad? Didn't think he could ever recover? Couldn't stand losing the #1 spot? Craziness!

Jets

Lord Thane evil laugh

trupheus

EQ might have inadvertently been impacted because of KS updating real time. If someone were to get nuked into oblivion other than army and wiz that need to disband wouldn’t their KS drop as their buildings turn to rubble?

Lord Thane

trupheus it would if I wasn't so lazy and only implemented ks updates to run during attacks. We'll prolly have it update when buildings get destroyed too, someday.

Mack10

Lord Thane just curious. Is it that “someday” yet?
Has this issue been corrected and put to bed finally.?
Can we welcome back Trupheus to the forums with open arms and rejoice?
I mean he did try to warn us and we didn’t listen….. WE DIDNT LISTEN Randy Marsh voice

Lord Thane

Mack10 Keeper already posted his update about the last changes to it, so this comment will be taken as trolling/disrespectful, for whatever purpose - baiting an admin response or whatever. Anyways, this is your 1 warning, next time will be a temp ban 👍

If you have actually constructive feedback related to the changes done, you're welcome to discuss that.

Mack10

Lord Thane I missed the post by Keeper, I also missed the post where you allowed Trupheus back for proving his point by actions…..
Your post is hilarious, when am I not trolling or bating anyone on here? A little sensitive are we?
Put your dick back in your pants big guy. Nothing to prove here. 😂😂🤣

Lord Thane

Mack10 no need to deflect, I said it many times before = I learned from the cli debates the best way to end arguments is to physically cut them off before they spiral out of control.

I spent 2 hours Friday answering player questions and analyzing reports for players, then 3.5 hours investigating a multi. This isn't a paying job, we don't have endless budget to throw at every little thing - stunts like this are not just a waste of dev time, but take time out of our lives to deal with too. Now, after a long day of working real life job, and putting in half a days work on thardferr - just to try making a fun environment for everyone - to then get hit with this at the end of the day? Perfectly timed to say "F the devs"? He earned his punishment in more ways than one. I don't need to run the whole scenario through AI to get an unbiased analysis to prove that.

Anyways, he got the 2-panel judgement, he got the 7 day mute in forum (for continuing to harass and troll), now everyone can move on about it.

I wasn't happy to have to do all that, Trupheus is a valuable member of the community, treasure trove of experience and ideas, and I like his personality - most of the time. But his stunt went beyond trying to prove a point or help fix a problem and wandered into maliciousness on multiple levels, and that was a mistake.

Further discussion on the topic should revolve around the core issue of magic. If people don't think Keepers fix was good enough, then you're welcome to discuss it. Trying to bring up drama or disrespect the admins on it won't be tolerated though - we don't deserve it and don't have time for it.

Edit: Keepers changes implemented:
https://forum.thardferr.com/d/410-eq-is-broken/31