Can we talk about food?

Thecatman

Agree, food upkeep really restricts build diversity when between farms and houses thats almost half your land gone right there. Would help a lot recovering from army kills if you didnt have to dedicate so much land to farms.

saadht

Xliest

Weren’t you the one opposing when I proposed this during alpha and beta?

Xliest

saadht incorrect, I argued that pop should eat food, I was on the wait and see list for how much ,we have seen now that 6:1 is oppressive and build defining.

saadht

Xliest sorry, I argued it should be half of what it is and you opposed that too.

I’m sorry but seriously just my hate made you not think logically. Case closed.

Lord Thane

At 1.6 buildings and 40% of my pop farming, the peasants are eating about 34% of the food supply.

If we cut the food demands of peasants in half, it would free up about 8% of my pop to be used elsewhere + some buildings, so we'd see faster build times on armies, more peasants ready to be drafted into army.

I think it would be disproportionately beneficial to gnomes (as the true fodder race), and as a gnome I'm now on board with this idea 😆

But seriously, I think we've seen enough data to support this idea now. It wouldn't completely solve the issues people have spoken about in regards to build and production issues, but it would be an incremental step toward easing those difficulties.

+1 from me to reduce peasant food budget by half. But also I want to see what more people think, in case someone can think of a negative issue we shouldn't do this.

Cora

Lord Thane only negative issue I will have is not making the gold from the food sales on the market 😂

DougEfresh

Im down with this

trupheus

Starve the peasants!

Xliest

Or I dunno, build it into a tech for next round, call it hydroponics, and have it reduce pop food consumption by half or whatever… but I think it’s better for the early game. So could just give it.

trupheus

Xliest

Food quality tech tree that reduces the amount of food your peasants need. I could even see this applying to unit upkeep

saadht

OG game made food usage for pop 0.

Let’s try to move it in bits.

18 pop eats 1 food.

Then we see what happens. Can everyone agree?

Lord Thane

saadht that's more drastic than cutting in half. At most, I will agree to cut it in half 12:1.

An additional tech sounds good too, we could just add another similar to irrigation, increase farm yields another +15.

Xliest

saadht half is fine for for now, don’t want to over tune it… it would save me 15k food per tick, if it’s 12:1

saadht

Ok I can get behind halving first. I’ve been saying this for months. Please let’s try this asap.

Thecatman

Yes please reduce it if you can. Free my land from some of these farms lol

King Haybol

Would it be nice to have a bit of difficulties in foods? I have my own way on how to deal with it. 😜😜😜

Lord Thane

King Haybol multis is not a valid strategy to fix food problems HAYBOL 😂😂😂

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King Haybol

Lord Thane 😂😂😂 hahaha, not relying on multi, just pure KD management but anyway, yeah let's go for it.

skigglez

when would this change come into effect? this round?

Lord Thane

skigglez @TheKeeper is going to make another food tech for this, soon 🙂

Jets

I see zero food issues. It's apart of the balance of the game.

Lord Thane

Jets I don't think it's an issue perse, more like a convenient opportunity. My pop eats 1/3 of my food, which isn't too bad, but what really sucks is 40% of my pop is dedicated to food prod, plus a decent number of buildings. Reducing food consumption isn't nearly as valuable as reclaiming some of that pop and building space for other things. So reducing peasant food consumption is a simple way of slightly reducing kingdom resources focused on food.

It's only like 8% of my pop made available to go in the army or work the mills/mines/armory, so it's not a huge change. Maybe it's just enough where someone can make 1 extra attack per week.

The military still requires a heavy food supply, especially when they're out on attack, so it's still an important strategic resource that requires complex management.