Can anyone explain this?

Magnum Mark

Opponent lost 2k, I lost 1k. I have 87% of the attack troops I sent coming home. My BAS is 25. This makes no sense to me. How did I lose?

At: 01:08 on August 11, 2025
My Lord, our troops fought with all versus xxxxxxxxx at xxxxx, but we were unable to invade. We had bloody falls in battle and we were unable to stand firm in battle, we were obligated to retire from the field.

We managed to kill : 142 Shieldbearer 434 Hammer wheilder 323 Axe Man 0 Runner 1106 Light Crossbowman 0 Heavy Crossbowman

But we lost : 65 Knight 402 Infantry 262 Pikeman 107 Heavy Infantry 480 Archer 84 Mounted Archers

⚔️ General’s Report ⚔️
My Lord, our forces were repelled by determined defenders. Our melee force was crushed, we need heavier or more numerous close-combat troops. Minimal losses, the army remains ready for the next battle.

My field report summary, sire:

We lost 3.1% of our troops in Long Range combat.
We inflicted 20.8% of enemy casualties in Long Range.
We inflicted 9.2% of enemy casualties in Short Range.
We lost 13.9% of our remaining troops in Melee combat.
We inflicted 88.2% of enemy casualties in Melee.
In total, 13.4% of our marching army was destroyed.

Zown

Magnum Mark
Does the opponent have Tactical Knowledge? I was thinking it might roll to see if they win even when they lose.

jerseyj282

Maybe he's on QR strategy, cutting both your attack power in half, and dwarf having high d left him enough troops to constitute a win despite low troop losses for you.

Lord Thane

jerseyj282 that's probably what happened. I wonder if they were both on QR lol

Magnum Mark

I can confirm I was on QR. No way I can tell if other player was or not. or what tech they have,

Regardless, I lost 13% and 87% return home. No possible way he could have more troops (I have over 9k surviving troops and a huge food bill). Because I lost, I get no protection. He gets a pre and then retals. I lose 2 castles and 54 land (or 18 % of my castles and land in mere minutes). In my opinion, crushing my opponent and still losing the battle completely messed up.

In addition both the pretal player and retal player get 24 hours of CLI. I get 14 hours of protection which isn't even enough for my army to get back home. Bogus battle results and unfair protection on top of that.

Lord Thane

Magnum Mark both sides being on QR creates some interesting dynamics. Both sides get their attack cut in half, twice, while the effects on getting the technical win get cancelled out. Meaning you need to meet all the regular conditions to get a technical win, but do it on 25% of your troops sent.

That'd be really hard to do, you'd need overwhelming force to meet the criteria for a win.

Magnum Mark

Lord Thane Dwarves have higher defense units than human (prior to tech). The opponent with higher defense units lost 2:1. I lost 1200 and over 9k coming home. I sent 75% to make sure I would win. so limited left at home to defend. I also had 1:1 MC and he had none.

I believe I should have won and would have gotten 24 hours CLI. Instead, battle results were bugged and I get Zero protection. then they pretal and retal. They both lost nothing on the pretal and retal and both get 24 hour CLI protection. After losing nearly 20% of my castles and land, I don't even enough protection for my army to get back home (measly 14 hours) . Bugged battle and VERY UNBALANCED PROTECTION.

Lord Thane

Magnum Mark well, with QR running X2 your 9k troops was only attacking with 2250 units. As the guide says that's just attack power, not defense.

For win conditions killing more of the enemy units is only part of the equation. There are more, and looking at the posted battle report and considering both sides were on QR it's easy to see how you weren't able to meet victory conditions.

If you used any strategy other than QR you probably would have won. It's not a bugged battle, it's just a bad choice of strategy. If you had no strategy set then the defenders QR would have worked in your favor.

The resultant retals are an example of how bad the fallout can be when a critical strategic misstep is made. Highlighting the importance of gathering as much Intel on a target as possible before launching a risky maneuver that can leave you exposed.

Magnum Mark

Well, I sent a bigger army and crushed higher defense troops at 2:1 ratio. I did think I was on no strategy, but I was on QR. I did fail to double check to strategy, but if he was on QR too, then the reduced chance of victory was the same for both of us. And my dominant kills should have yielded a win.

You can say get more intel. What point is a TS? 9 of the last 10 TS I cast, the player was under protection. so useless "intel"... Only time it is useful I guess is if you have a retal because you don't get blocked by them being in protection.

The protection situation is just bad... Players get 24 hours for CLI after taking a castle (even if they took no losses and don't need protection. I lose 1/3 of my kingdom and get 14 lousy hours (roughly 40% more protection for gaining a castle). While I like getting 24 hours upon a win to get my army back home, the fact that losing tons of troops and castles and land gets only a fraction of the protection is messed up.

I couldn't even try vacation mode because I had effing troops out. 10 minutes after I come out of protection, I get hit a 3rd time within a 15 hour period and before my army from the bugged loss got home. Why can't players getting ganged and beat down continuously get comparable protection to those who are ganging smaller players in less active provinces and they all get 24 hour for a win. but I lose multiple castles and get 14 hours...

I know life's not fair, but why play such an unbalanced game (glitchy battle results, battle winners get 24 hours, while battle losers only get 14 hours. Such terrible balance is Just chasing off players. Only 3 of our original 8 in my province are still here (5 of 8 deleted or quit altogether). if you want the game to succeed or have any chance to build a player base, the protection balance needs fixed.

Over all, CLI does what was intended. limits the Pre/re. but if you fail an attack, you are screwed for as your protection is only fraction of CLI even though you lost a significant portion of your kingdom (what you have been working for the past 2-3 months). To regain the 3 castles I lost would take 3 days of successful attacks and noone taking a retal. 80% of the time, I take a castle and they retal or vice versa.