Increase TP lvl to 2x or 3x

Blahblah

Lord Thane dwarves and gnomes don't do magic as its not cost affective. Kinda forces them to not have to worry about those techs.

Zones

Blahblah so? they have the drawback of no magic. so what if they can do techs you don't get to do at the end?

if you think dwarves or gnomes are op, play them.

temo

What about being earned gained by science centers buildings for every 10% SC of land science centers tp increases 1 point and max out at 2 so you would have to have 20% of your buildings science centers cost 3000gold 200wood and 500iron to build or something of the sort

skigglez

can we just play with it as is, and wait until Keepers changes to the tech tree? Literally nothing has changed from prior rounds, except techs are easier to get than before.

temo

skigglez its called brain storming

TheKeeper

skigglez Don't worry, I'll not release a lot of techs in this round, only the new engine

trupheus

Seems that some folks think this slows down techs when it really increases the amount of techs one is able to get in a round. Have you ever been asleep when your tech finished and wasted 6 hours of time before starting a new one? Had to delay starting a tech because of not enough gold? Forgotten the end time of your tech? All of those things caused wasted time that no longer exist, so you are truly able to get more techs than before. Now you might have to do them in a different order, but no tick is wasted when it comes to technologies now.

Lord Eagle

trupheus i think u r not following the thread or unable to understand. We are NOT saying to remove tp with gold and time..i am saying to increase tp which the keeper have explained above and its ok. It was just a suggestion to increase tp 2x.

Lord Eagle

Lord Thane alright..it was just a suggestion. Do what is best for the game.

Lord Thane

Lord Eagle let's see how the round goes with TP and Keeper's new tech system, we have lots to test this round. Maybe next round we can increase the rate if there's a bunch of new techs, I heard we will get more new techs, so we will definitely need more tp or cheaper cost 🙂

Konkistador

Lord Thane, is the gate for gnomes and dwarfs live this round as previous announced? Sorry can't find the changes log. If so, what would the rate of cast for catapult be higher than 3:1? As it would be impossible in having 3:1 ratio of catapult vs rest of army? Agree with higher losses ratio balances things out.

Lord Thane

Konkistador yes it is. I'm not sure of the ratios though, I'll go check and get back to you in a bit.

Konkistador

Lord Thane thanks appreciated 🙂

Lord Thane

Konkistador I double checked and the descriptions in the Magic page are accurate to the code, Kaboom bringing 20:1 and SS bringing 10:1, you can see their descriptions at the bottom in the racial spells section:

https://thardferr.com/guide/magic/

Konkistador

Lord Thane thanks 🙂

Wild Dogs

![I like the TP

However, I dont like how it is evenly available for everyone.

When techs cost gold it created strategy on how you spent your money. Now, that element is gone.

I'd like to see additional TP distributed based on it being earned through battles.

Start everyone with "x" amount. Let them earn addition TP

All battles = tp gain
Tp from attacks > tp from defends
Successful attacks tp > unsuccessful attacks tp
Successful defends tp > unsuccessful defends tp

Cora

Wild Dogs not everyone is as aggressive with attacking and they shouldn’t be punished for it by not earning as much TP as those who are attacking. Some players are economists, some are casters. There are a wide variety of players in the game, not just attackers.

trupheus

TP are part of the tech web we’ll get……. Eventually.

Zones

been thinking about techs the last couple days.
this might be the wrong thread but its fine Im sure.

tech ks value should be based on its time to research. get an average time for all the techs to be researched and that is whatever you want an avg tech to be worth ks wise and then add and subtract percentage wise from there on the rest of them. waiting 175 ticks for a tech and it only being worth the same as one that takes 10 ticks is wild.

trupheus

Zones

Definitely been discussed before. This is also all for nothing until we get Keeper's tech web blown all over.

Basing it on the TP cost is still not indicative of the true impact of the technology though. SB 1 takes 40, gives 1000 KS. Irrigation takes 150, so it gives 3750 KS? Which one is more impactful, raising a dwarves farms production 15% or 10000 HW by 14.3% of base for each SB tech?

Just saying that the KS from techs should be tied to the impact it makes on the kingdom, not the length of time it takes to get the tech. SB should increase the KS per unit of each unit impacted by the technology and be based on the quantity of that unit that you have.

Lord Thane

trupheus I was thinking maybe it needs both. It's hard to quantify the value of an economic tech, so maybe the TP cost is a good indicator to use for increased/decreased value. And then for the military techs I like the idea of tying it to the standing army somehow, whether per unit or per thousand units or something (to simplify it).

Here's another one to think about: if we increase ks of military techs based on standing armies, perhaps the magic techs should do same. I know, I know, everyone wants casters to have artificially lower ks so bigger kingdoms can't attack them - but it does seem to make sense since the tech does improve them more depending on how many schools/wiz they have - they can cast more spells more often using fewer wizards. So maybe it should increase their ks even more depending on the level of tech and number of schools or wizards. An added benefit is if someone decided to run crazy schools to become a supermage then their ks will balloon and put them in a bad position.

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