Idea to avoid losing everything after defending

TheKeeper

This is my idea, please share your toughts

Jules

for science

Leo

It is more realistic to be able to retreat a battle. Sitting on quick retreat should be able to do some trick. But this needs to be implemented carefully. Sending out an army is a costy thing. Need to have a balance to prevent discouraging attacks.

The biggest problem of Thardferr in the means of battle dynamics is "instant attacks". Always everytime even it is a mere platoon or a huge army, they just pop up without the defender kingdom noticing. That is hardly manageable. Kingdoms not watching over thier borders deserve to perish.

Didn't give this too much thought yet but if possible it should go like this in basic: Launch an attack, wait for army to reach the destination (should be able to change things or even abort), within a reasonable time defender gets a notice they are being attacked. Adjust their strat or army. Then battle happens.

I know that means writing a whole new battle mechanics. But, that is what thardferr is lacking.

trupheus

Leo

I like the idea of if a general recognizes very early that they're completely overwhelmed in battle, they're going to pull quickly to lose as few troops as possible (except orcs, they stay till dead)

Jules

The idea i've always had was to have two tiers of units. Army units and reserve units:

Army units: Function as they do now.

Reserve units: Trained units are able to be put into two places, army(as normal) or reserve. Checkbox style, you would select either. Reserve units do not participate in combat, have half upkeep and count against housing population(I go back and forth if should be GH or house). At any point, and instantly(w/o tick), you can move units from the reserve to the main army. Army cannot be moved back to the reserve.

This allows your new army to be safe and to rebuild, allows a method to stockpile/buffer trained units and allows you to control your army better.

Darteye

Jules if you went with this you would need to still allow reserves to die just at a reduced rate as the fighting army....say like 30-50% max loss of the reserves

Jules

Darteye

Maybe my head isn't completely wrapped around it, but why would they need to die? Reserve units wouldn't fight, defend or attack. You can chill and pay them their reduced upkeep in reserve, and keep yourself undefended by whatever you want for as long as you want.

Darteye

Jules easy, cause it would be exactly the reason castle passing was THE tactic in thard of old. It will be here too if you truly were playing all out to win. So basically i would set my fighting army to be just enough to get max prot (i think its not correctly done now as you always get full prot), then when i am ready to attack i would enable my entire force.

I think you need to have a risk vs reward, your way would benefit the solo player for sure. It would not be good for provinces alliances etc.

Jules

Darteye

Mmmmmm ya that's right, I haven't thought of the castle-passing problem in ages. I want to say/believe that it's a separate issue to deal with though. I'll have to think on this one

Darteye

Jules yea...also think about retals too, i would also be able to (if i was on at the time of the pretal) enable all my army to block the retal at full force which can be punishing to the KD getting bottomfed trying to retal heh.

AND i would get a retal on the guy who did the pretal, AND if we keep it as is, retals give retals so id get a gain of 1 castle.

bierlym

losing 100% of all troops to my name in one battle sucks. anyone 2x my size will overpower me anyways. Let them have a castle and some land. but let me keep my troops so I can hit someone else and take something back. or you have to try and keep your troops out 100% of the time. and that takes tons of food if you have much of an army.

trupheus

bierlym play gnome. Have an army quickly.

trupheus

Really I think the problem of attacking and bottom feeding and defending is way more complicated. I wouldn’t mind seeing heavy penalties to bottom feeders, and advantages given to people who are defending also some kind of penalty for those who farm and do not attack.

Darteye

trupheus Agree that the game is geared to bottomfeeding and just farming if you get too big to hit anyone smaller than u.

hard to fix it tbh...i think the best way to solve would be to adjust strats so that quick retreat actually allows u to lose less army (not reduced damage theres a difference) but you cede more land/castles maybe as a tradeoff...spitballing here