Some people play in a different timezone, you set up the poll while I was not on, and you decided as soon as Jets Trupheus and Adin voted.
It's cool.
Bottom Feeding countermeasures implemented!
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The polls only show how many people say "Yes". There is no option to vote "No" or "No Idea"
So, it is only showing how many people think it is good idea, but not the number of people think it is a bad idea.
I agree with the concept of discouraging bottom feeding, while this is welcomed.
I would add that it still leaves a gap for suicide attacks and the use of mutils to catch kindgdoms off guard and destroy gameplay enjoyment.
If I may my suggestions to enhance the changes made:
- Attacked blocked for anyone uplifting 150% ks strength.
- Attacks blocked for anyone down hitting for less than 50% ks strength.
- Retails are exempt and there is no reduction of damaged incurred. (You should always be able to retaliate back without repercussions)
Hope this is considered. As multis was always the downside of this game, and this might encourage people to go down that route unless it becomes obsolete.
In this note (eliminate any point of multis), I would add:
- Sending aid is limited to province players. (With market in place this now should be sufficient, so peope can't use multis to feed main kingdom).
- This is probably a debatable one. But think would make the gameplay better without so much politics. Pre Retaliation rights would only be attained by an attack made from the same province kingdoms. Again this would eliminate any purpose of multis and encourage province cooperation without creating an imbalance in too many provinces becoming part of aliances and making more of a province game rather than political).
This was one of the worst decisions i've seen in a game. I see that you're pleasing the 'majority' so its cool. To me, it tells me everything i need to know about the direction this will take.
Dont take me wrong, props to you for making the game, but a few english native speakers that are active on a forum are not the 'majority'. It may feel like so because the player count is low and it feels like the active players are the ones talking but i doubt thats the case. Really, im super against bottom feed (if its a province vs province war, well, shit happens), castle passing and all that shit but i dont see how this benefits the gameplay in the long term. Yes, it will secure some unfair situations but also why should i hit someone 80% of my size? Also, its not like we have a lot of players to pick from.
Anyway, you say you started/will start the marketing to get new players. If you're relying on the new players to join and be active and participate on the forums and vote on polls i think you have a surprise coming your way.
Well, hope im wrong, ill check back when the player count is higher. Cheers.
saadht it's been up for a few days. But I can understand your frustrations. I think that the best part of the current game state is that it will be ever evolving until the right balance is found community wide. Some ideas will not last some may not. It does take time to determine the overall impact of small decisions... example would be just having the AI battle reports, it has not been come a preference, to appease the masses not just the one or two.
What a time to be apart of the Thardferr family! Our inputs do matter, but we must maintain an open mind. Sometimes it not exactly what we are saying but how we say it.
Jaxx I would say in a week or so we will know if the implementation of these ideas work well or not. You have valid points as we are in a micro state over macro for the game play. It's okay to be scared that we could lose the core of Thardferr, good news, the devs are listening and I don't think it will take much to revert back if some ideas end up being shit. The best we can do is to continue voicing our concerns and let the big ol dinosaur brains at the top make there decisions.
Give them credit for preferring to make polls rather than decisions. Not many would have such diligence to allow common folk voices be heard.
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I dont understand what y’all don’t like. bottom feeding is a massive problem obviously it’s talked about over and over and over, this seems like a very fair solution I agree that there should maybe be some protections afforded from suicide bombers something like you can’t attack some one 2.5 x your size… the reason for this discrepancy is becasue in the early game which is the only pet of the game we have seen so far the Ks can shift so wildy after just one attack so if you were to attack some one your size when they were sleeping you might be able to out grow them in the 6 or 8 hours that they are offline, and that is certainly not fair. But once they get past 2.5 x they have no reason to interact with your small kingdom and you should not be sending your troops into a slaughter house like that anyways… currently the system favours defenders so as long as you keep some army at home a suicide should not have sucess.
Let's take this morning (or last night for you)'s events and recall them.
4 kd's less than 1/2 my size hit and tried to break me, and failed. One was larger, sure, but he also failed. Then a final kd less than 1/2 my size hit me and broke me. One of these people was you, so you have a very good idea what I'm talking about.
Now if the penalty is applied to retals, I cannot take all my retals since all the KD's are much smaller. Even if I now take only one retal, I will lose more troops and won't get much land with the castle.
So I have no recourse. Bottomfeeding penalty is fine, if you're the aggressor. Don't penalize people dealing with 5 hits who had to retrain their armies anyway. Retraining armies, filling empty land, all of this is so difficult in this version because of 40% destruction of gained buildings and peasants eating food which means you must be at double optimum pop for food all the time (more so when army is out) unless you're undead.
But like I said, deaf ears. I know nothing I say will be taken into consideration so I guess the rest should enjoy the game.
Konkistador sending aid outside your province shouldn’t be restricted. What about elves who sell casting spells? How would they get paid? I know the devs are putting it into the market, but even then you should be able to set up a contract with whoever you want and receive payment from them.
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saadht jokes on you, I never sleep. I still believe, and I am making assumptions, that since you are much larger and those smaller ones bounced off you, the troops you train in quantity will take only a couple hours to match what would take them all day to rebuild. So. You could attack them back because your recovery rate is greatly increased. But that's just like my opinion man.
Let me just ask you a question.
Do you have a logic against no penalty on retal?
Big kd’s became big by being active and committed. If you wanna pick a fight with a big kd no problem, but there should be consequences.
If big KD was the aggressor, nerf that fucker. But at least let him take his retals in peace.
Jaxx Ugh, I'm not english native speaker, so I don't get that point
Taking it further, we tried to democratize the game, but it's not written in stone, we'll make evolve over time, thanks to actual technologioes we can go at least 20x faster than the original one, if the countermeasures doesn't fit well, we just will change it.
saadht good lord, that crying pepe meme is perfect, just perfect lol
I agree the penalty shouldn't affect retals.
TheKeeper
Im not either but i do ok. What i mean is, you currently have players that are not good enough to come to a forum and debate in english. Well, being vocal about things doesnt make them right. If people want you to remove attacks just to see who farms faster, would you do it? Doesnt make any sense to me. Im cool with having an opinion, im cool with you open comunication and the polls to feel the 'pulse' of the people but you cant (well ofc you can, but i think its dangerous) listen to every complaint.
Anyway, let the democracy work then, it's your game, you know better.
Lord Thane
Unnecessary comment about saadht.
Jaxx if he would stop complaining that nobody reads or cares about his comments then I wouldn't have to bully him about it.
Anyways, I was agreeing with him, so that should make him happy 
You can say whatever you’d like to me. Call me a crybaby or a complainer, idc. Just fix the damn problems like nerfing your retal ability if the offender is smaller than you. Just make this game make sense logically. I wished for the game to be back a long time and now that it is, I am quite invested in trying to make it work as best as I know how to suggest. If you’d like, I’ll stop. No worries.
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saadht no I appreciate your ideas, and it does make a difference. But don't get disappointed when we don't implement them all, or accuse us of some kind of preferential treatment. I've shut down ideas from all the ppl you say we're exclusively listening to.
I'm most likely going to add your idea to prevent the KS penalty from affecting retals, that was a good idea 