New Rules Coming = BF and Castle Loss Scaling

AdinTheDark

Lord Thane BTW I do appreciate the brainstorming, if there's issues with the new rules we should try to flush them out and find fixes asap.

Exactly I’m not coming from a place of opposition just trying to understand a little better why this will benefit the game positively

Nolio

AdinTheDark Unfortunately yes, which I pointed out as well. At least until people are around or passed 10 castles. Unless there's a way to get more castles, like them auto-building. Which I think is a good idea and would make for more attacking. Being forced to get a new castle when you're not ready, I think that's good.

Lord Thane

Nolio I think this new castle rule will make it so we don't have to do the other idea that had been discussed (auto build first 4 castles). I'm also betting there will be a small number of attackers that will risk it against people with 2 or 3 castles (if for nothing else than to just troll them), and attacks between 4-7 will be more common as the # goes up, and then 8-10 I don't think any attacker will be deterred at all. We'll see though, never can tell what a Thardferrian will do.

trupheus

Lord Thane

The theory behind it works but practical application will be interesting.

If it grinds the game to a halt and there’s no attacking until 8+ castles (80% chance to gain a castle just seems like the point where it’s going to be worth it) what’s the point of having initial protection.

Also how will the apply to retals? Say I hit 10 castles and immediately someone with 4 pops me for a castle. Does the same scale mean that I now have a 50/50 chance at getting my castle back?

Might be needed to have it scale 2 20% 3 40% 4 70% 5 100%

Lord Thane

trupheus yes that's what would happen in the current system. I don't know if there should necessarily be something added in to negate the scale for retals, if someone is up-hitting that much then I don't think we need to punish them for it.

Adamastor

Why not start the game with 3 or 4 castles and some 60 land? That would take much of the difficulty to grow at the beguining. Instead of that rule of 20% at 2 castles and so on, why not change it attack sistem so that, when you hit someone below 70% you get a randomly max of 50% total gains, for example.

Lord Thane

Adamastor a lot of people enjoy starting from the ground up and deciding how they will grow into castles, etc. If we can think of ways of improving the growing pains without removing the option of choice, then that's much preferred.

In other talks we were planning to make the first 4 castles auto-build during new kingdom setup, but I think this new idea is better and solves the issue of growing pains more gracefully.

Adamastor

Lord Thane with what i said you can still grow. Leave it like it was with 10 land, but with 60 and castles. I dont think anyone really enjoys the 120 days of prot. Fast start, fast action

Xliest

Lord Thane

Adamastor no thank you, I and a lot of us think that starting at 1/10 is key to the game feeling like thardferr

trupheus

Lord Thane a lot of people enjoy starting from the ground up and deciding how they will grow into castles, etc. If we can think of ways of improving the growing pains without removing the option of choice, then that's much preferred.

Let people “roll” their kingdom and choose where X amount of supplies of buildings will go?

Nolio

I like the thought of just starting with either 2 castles or we all start with 45 land. Everything else is standard but you don't have to do any exploring for the first 45

Lord Thane

📯These 2 new rules are active now.

Adamastor

Xliest no. It feels like old thardferr. And like "old thardferr", without changes to bring new stuff and people, this one will have the same fate. No game is made of 30 to 40 people playing, unless its a friends game.

CyberPtra

Clarification: how does this apply to retaliations?

You can be hit with bad luck twice.

Lose a castle on defend… and fail to regain on retal
Did not gain castle on attack (maybe land), get retaled and lose castle….

trupheus

CyberPtra

Applies to all attacks.

Lord Thane

CyberPtra I didn't add any special logic for retals, so those would follow whatever the natural path is/was. Yes, it is possible someone will have really bad luck and lose a castle and only get land on a retal.

Mack10

Lord Thane Maybe not the best place for this but can you please look into the amount of buildings destroyed when winning a battle?
Last attack I did was 22 lands with 99 max build. Might as well just farm land.

Lord Thane

Mack10 the code for 10-30% destruction looks good. I think what you experienced is the defender had a lot of unbuilt land, and you got your share of that included in your buildings spoils.

trupheus

Adamastor Xliest no. It feels like old thardferr. And like "old thardferr", without changes to bring new stuff and people, this one will have the same fate. No game is made of 30 to 40 people playing, unless its a friends game.

I don’t remember the end of the original thardferr well. Do you? How small was the player base when dad left to get milk and never came back?

Lord Thane

trupheus that's some funny shit 😂

Adamastor

trupheus yes i remember. I also remember the following types of thardferr. Whats your point? Are you the great knower of how the game is suppose to be? Shall it be your way my lord?

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