Wizards to Defend

Nolio

skigglez no repercussions

This part I don't agree with. There are still plenty of repercussions. With wizards able to defend a small amount, it just means that instead of having to only send 5% of my army, I might have to send 25%. They are still weak with this suggestion, just not the weakest.

And I absolutely agree that resting wizards would not be able to defend. They can either cast spells or be defensive units, not both!

Lord Thane I like the sound of these suggestions, they sound like a really great way to help elves, or casters of any race depending on how you do it.

TheKeeper That's what I was wondering mostly, if it's not viable so be it. But I really do like the thought of helping Elf, even though I don't pay as one.

skigglez

Nolio
I think if they implement measures to make casters more able to defend themselves from attacks, they would have to compensate those that don’t build wizards and give them the ability to defend against magic through techs or something

Nolio

skigglez I agree, but that already exists, at least to a certain extent. Dwarves and Gnomes have magic resistance since they are unviable as magic casters. And like you said, if that's a problem, then we should just build schools and wizards, play a balanced game. But maybe you're right and there would need to be something else. At least there's a discussion happening now. I love the brainstorming on ways to balance though!

skigglez

Nolio
I’m not sure what that resistance actually does, every single spell against me has succeeded as a dwarf. And that’s probably 20+ spells this round

Nolio

skigglez The game guide says "In fact, dwarves have a 40% magic resistance and gnomes have a 35% magic resistance which give them greatly increased chances of counterspelling any spell attempt against them even if they have no wizards."

But it might be one of those "fun mysteries" we have in the game.

skigglez

Nolio
Unless I'm the unluckiest man in the world, I don't think that's working as intended then.

Lord Thane

skigglez probably more likely you were successfully cast against due to the bug I fixed the other day that made it easier for smaller casters to succeed against larger kingdoms. The resistance is built in, and should only affect offensive spells.

trupheus

skigglez

It’s not luck at all. I should have done to you what I did. That was 4:1 schools of a larger KS kingdom and 4000 wizards.

skigglez

Lord Thane
Have had several since the bug fix, but small sample size. To confirm - TS is considered an offensive spell that dwarf should repel 40% of?

Lord Thane

skigglez yes it is an offensive spell that goes through all the checks/balances for offensive spells, and would be negatively affected by the dwarf/gnome resistance when it comes to success chance.

King Haybol

I have a suggestion for balancing offensive spell buffs. Could we implement magic resistance that utilizes MP during spell casting? This would serve as a countermeasure, preventing pure unit kingdoms from being forced into training wizards solely for defense. 🤗🤗🤗

Nolio

King Haybol I like this thought!

The way I see it, MPs could act as a counterspell. To do this you would have to consume them and gain "defensive points" that are just a number. It's a spell you cast that gives you 1:1 magic defense. They're non refundable and they work towards countering the next spell, and are consumed when that happens.

trupheus

Hi. Resident pot and spell wholesale dealer here.

Interesting idea. 1 defensive attribute… interesting idea. It’s not enough to really stop anyone but it’s going to make attacking a caster a little more costly. Considering armies I’ve seen recently have attack and defense values well over 15k even with 1 defense only attack point I am still nothing to that.

I’m very well aware if I had any aspirations to climb the KHoF, I wouldn’t play a caster and I definitely wouldn’t play elf. I have an unrealistic 4:1 schools.

Even with 1 defense only attack point, it would not have stopped anyone from winning against me it merely would have made you lose a bit more.

If wiz are going to die when a defense is failed they should be contributing. I lost over 800 (₂₅%) wizards in the most recent attack against me, yet I have over 8000 space available. That loss is disproportionate to the amount of land I lost, I lost 20% of my land. They cannot be fully exposed to battle or almost all wizards will die in every failed defend.

skigglez

trupheus
I’m talking about the round in general. Haven’t repelled a single spell yet, but dwarf supposed to have resistance. Most probably due to the bug, so going forward i’m hoping to see some failing. Never been fireballed before, it is quite potent i will say that haha. Whether it’s worth giving a retal is yet to be seen. And i do agree, wizards dying when you have excess school room doesn’t seem right.

Nolio

skigglez Yeah that's rough and does sound a bit off. It could be that the players who cast the spells may have had really high schools to land, and that you got unlucky. And it should probably be looked into.

trupheus

skigglez

I did some calculations… was that 95-100% of your pop? I estimate you had between 180 and 215 houses. Which even with habitation 23k fireball would have darn near 0’d your pop.

skigglez

Lord Thane
So shouldn’t some of them fail? My entire group has had one TS fail against us all round. Even after the bug fix the kingdom that’s 1/3 of our KS has 100% TS success rate.

King Haybol

skigglez Sounds like you're just unlucky in TS. Even our caster has a lot of failed TS sometimes. 😅😅😅

Lord Thane

skigglez the resistance isn't like a hard cutoff based on chance, it's more like a handicap where they get set to -40 points and the caster has to push their combined modifiers to reach +100 points to successfully cast. Whereas other races would start at 0 points and the caster has to reach 100 points to succeed... That's a really simple way of explaining it, but functionally that's sort of how it goes. It's possible with enough wizards and schools that they can reach 100% success rate every time.

trupheus

Trying to understand. For offensive spells, is potency of an offensive spell determined by schools of the offensive caster vs schools of the defender and total land. Basically if I have 100 schools and I’m casting against a kingdom with 100 land and 50 schools, my spell has a potency of .5:1. Second is my success rate which is my amount of wizards used vs their amount of wizards defending? Something along those lines?

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