The game..

Zown

On August 16, 2025 at 17:10:37:

My Lord, our troops fought with all versus Oten at Edilar-7 , but we were unable to invade. We had bloody falls in battle and we were unable to stand firm in battle, we were obligated to retire from the field.

We managed to kill : 370 Mage 275 Swordman 226 Lanceman 112 Caragous 698 Archer 315 Elite Archer

But we lost : 498 Mage 233 Swordman 248 Lanceman 210 Caragous 215 Archer 238 Elite Archer

⚔️ GENERAL'S REPORT ⚔️
Our assault was repelled. The enemy held strong. Our ranged line faltered, we must train more long range units or risk being outmatched again. Severe losses, my Lord. We must rethink both our strategy and troop composition.

My field report summary, sire:

• • •
We lost 88.6% of our casualties in Long Range combat.

We inflicted 90.3% of enemy casualties in Long Range.

We lost 11.4% of our casualties in Melee combat.

We inflicted 9.7% of enemy casualties in Melee.

In total, 100% of our marching army was destroyed.

Zero out-play potential. You just can't make units fast enough to fight a kingdom way above you that is attacking you on the 15-hour cooldown. The KS system just doesn't represent the kingdom's actual fighting strength and allows for imbalanced gameplay. Now I have 0 protection and 0 army. So the next person who attacks is guaranteed 0 retaliation. And btw, I still have another retaliation, I still have absolutely nothing I can do about which will soon be two. Taking retals in a lot of situations is actually bad for the defender. And mind you, all this started because I won a defense. This is terrible game design.

CyberPtra

Cora
Zown
OgGnome

Hmm... Check out my suggestion... Goal for "glory Points"

https://forum.thardferr.com/d/476-new-mechanic-kingdom-sacrifice-glory-points

Vesuvan

OgGnome I definitely lose way more than 1k troops in attacks, but will agree the current mechanics of the game encourage hitting as low as you can to still achieve CLI to get that 24 hours of pro, then rinse and repeat. I even brought this up in a post a few days ago about CLI, if that’s the way the game is now then fine…I’ll play it that way, but it does make it more boring and more difficult for the smaller KD’s to keep up. Realistically, your only option is to do the same thing yourself….never leave pro, and always hit as close to 70% as you can.

skigglez

OgGnome you can’t have your entire army wiped out defending, you don’t defend with 100% of your at home army. You can also combine MCs with QR strat to minimize troop loss and give yourself the ability to take the retal.

Cora

CyberPtra I already have and I think I commented…

OgGnome

CyberPtra glory holes WTF!! lol I kinda like your idea though alll joking aside!

Sayjins

How bout 1000 ai NPCs? Is that possible keeper/thane? Or have earthlings or predators invade and fuck everyone up?....just to reduce the heat on everyone, for protection. Maybe unify the realm at a common enemy. Maybe get 2 or 3 different game types or just an original d&d game it used to have on a blue screen lol. Sounds like a lotta figuring too smart for me, but thanks for bringing thardferr back regardless

Vesuvan

Sayjins I love the idea of a bunch or AI KD’s out there, makes it so you have way more targets…and they can’t NAP or form alliances!! I could totally see the real players banding together to beat “the machine” too!

Eri

Thats why i suggest before if a 100k ks hit 70k ks dont just gave penalty on the attackers.. gave also a buff on d defender.. increase income. Troops training per tick..

Enphetamy

Eri you can see how such a system would quickly be abused through intentional bottomfeeds on allies.

xiAo-Shin Star

Too bad our Dev is very positive with the so called "The defender has it all, buff etc and with favored thing"
And There is also a positive defender of CLI @skigglez with less experience.

So all your complaints goes to nothing. They don't mind losing players anyway.

Adamastor

I already posted this but no one was interested in it. For example, why not make a tec for the medical center, where you can revive up to somewhere close to 50% of your army. For example, with 1-1 medical center with the tec, your defeated army would be revived by 50%. Meaning if you were at 70% of the guy who hit you, with 50% of what you had back to life, you would very likelly be able to retal on him. Also something should be added up, as if you were hit and at least 20% or 25% of your total army was destroied, you would gain protection for a few hours. There are other ways of helping up, like for example, after you got hit and lost Castle, your pop would work hard, and increase production by some percentage.

skigglez

Adamastor if you stack the deck even further for the defender to the point where they can basically take every retal - what would be the point of attacking? You’re going to just trade land/castles and take the risk of bouncing the attack and getting hit twice.

trupheus

Adamastor

Been thinking about this recently. You like the idea of reducing losses. I’m in the camp of increase resource production, increase train speed, and increase upkeep to keep armies in check given the increased resources. We are thinking the same general idea though.

Adamastor

The med tec would work on attack and defence, but the revived would come with the returning army, while the defender would get some every tic,during 5 or 6 tic.

Adamastor

Also, the ks should be way more based on army than in other things, meaning people with similar armies would be close on ks.

Adamastor

The loss of land should be limited to 20% up to 10 castles, and reducing after it to a max of 10%.

AdinTheDark

skigglez

What if a percentage of loses are converted to prisoners and won back if a successful retail? That would still need an adjustment to current ks scaling.

The biggest issue is troop loss. Protection time/Troop loss/rebuild times are far from fair atm.

skigglez

AdinTheDark I’m generally curious what percentage of attacks were successfully retaled this round. I bet it’s much higher than what the recent complaints allude to. What % of defenders getting a retal would the community consider “fair”? Reading some of the recent posts it sounds like a lot of people think it should be 100%. It’s going to be impossible to get to a point where everyone will be satisfied. I think tweaking the ks values of buildings/techs/military, as well as giving defenders a bit more protection should be done before anything else is drastically changed. See how that plays out and revisit after seeing the results on bottom feeding/retals.

AdinTheDark

skigglez

As am I. I’m positive the number of successful retails is actually high if you take all the data from round. To be honest it’s still the issue we had in OG when hitting at 50% at a time in the round the 50% got to the point where there was nothing the defending kingdom can do against it. Thus the retaliation right leading to a pre/re. It’s vastly different at 10000 ks hitting 7000 ks
Then 500k hitting a 350k.

skigglez

AdinTheDark yeah if we could normalize KS so that it’s a better indicator of military strength it would be a good start to achieving balance. It’s going to take a while to get it right, I just don’t think that some of the overhaul solutions being proposed is the answer. The game isn’t as broken as people think. @trupheus suggestion above for more troop production would alleviate alot of the pain people are feeling. Combine that with extra protection for defenders and getting hit won’t feel as punishing

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