Protection Change Suggestion

Lord Thane

trupheus I don't think nerfing 4/6 races LR is going to have good results. We'd see a huge rise in Gnome/Elf players that would dominate with LR kills, end up achieving the opposite of the intended goal lol

What about if we increased all units defense 10%? Or 20%? If they all have more HP then they have better chances of surviving all phases, while the base attack state aren't skewed too much. idk if it'd skew too much per race to make one OP.

Zones

make the gnomes and elves more enticing so dwarves can be viable. that sounds great to me.

DougEfresh

remember when qr made people only take land when they oversent. ah the good ol days

Enphetamy

DougEfresh Was that it? Dang, pretty clever idea. That actually forced you to be thoughtful about what youre sending huh? Actually, seems like a REALLY good mechanic....

Lord Thane

DougEfresh I thought it was only if the attacker was on qr? I have vague memories of that rule.

trupheus

don't think it even required QR. if you massively oversent land hits were a thing. they sucked. QR needs an overhaul anyway.

also, 3 ticking makes it much harder to castle pass. 😉 oh less than 20% of your army was home. get rekt nerd.

DougEfresh

trupheus actually i think you're right. i dont think qr mattered. but you full send on someone with 0 you got land more often then not

Enphetamy

DougEfresh How one simple rule would immensely change gameplay. Um, on second thought, its just one more avenue for castle passing to abuse. Now you dont even have to lose castles, just some land. It does make chain passing way less possible though. Would love to see this trialed.

Lord Thane

So what kind of numbers you guys think this rule should use? Some kind of sliding scale that increases the chance when sending over 100%?

Yeah I'd like to hear more ideas about how it would be abused.

In relation to CLI at play, I kinda think it'd be a big pain in the arse for castle/pro passers, because if their buddy has no army and they trigger highest chance of land grab, then their buddy only gets the little land pro and the attacker guy gets nothing lol

Holy shit, is this actually a really great addition we should push through asap? 😂

trupheus

Lord Thane

Really if you want to make it harder (notice I do not say impossible) to castle pass, if less than 20% of total army is home, reduce protection. If you're clearly not even trying to defend, why get full prot? 3 is extreme, but maybe you only get 9. We need some chaos in protection times otherwise it's attack once a day to keep the enemy away.

What about straight up matching CLI and Protection time defender. I only get 18 hours, they only get 18 hours. I get 24, they get 24. At 9 and 9... that's attacking pretty darn often.

Maybe just make protection always random between 20 and 24 hours.

Careful it adds this layers of strategy and mindfulness to the game. Many people have shown to not like that. CLI protects from 3 ticking someone, so don't have to worry about that anymore.

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skigglez

What happens if you’re just retaling someone who full sent you? There’s a chance you take land? Not everyone plays with the benefit of a TS.

Lord Thane

trupheus that could possibly work, a CLI adjustment. I'd like to see if anyone can think of loopholes for this.

skigglez that's a good point, someone Full Sending will put themselves in a position where they get their CLI protection and high risk to the defender for getting only land back with no/low-chance of CLI. Although the attacker also put themselves at high risk of only getting land when they hit Full Send because they'd be playing by the same rule, so if the defender didn't have a large army home then the attacker might have only gained land and exposed themselves to pre-re. Maybe that balances or self-regulates it in some, discourages full-sending... My concern if we gave an exception to retals is then it's a built-in loophole for castle/pro passing, and it shifts the risk entirely on attackers.

Psidon

Just amazing discussions going on here..

We all love this game and we all want this game to grow.

There definitely needs to be a better way for everyone to be able to enjoy it without having to resort to gangs and various tactics…

That’s not playing to the spirit of this game imo..

skigglez

Lord Thane My concern with that is solo players who don't regularly have a TS before hitting would get super screwed. Would guess after a couple of times hitting into low/no army and getting double tapped they would just stop playing. Would not be a fun experience.

Enphetamy

Lord Thane The whole point of the thing would be to make you think about what's enough to overcome the defense without overshooting it. Putting in CLI guarantees for large sends (and also exposing yourself) would be a complete farce lol. "Dont send too big a force out! (But if you do we got you covered just try not to do it anymore)"

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