Can we do something scaled bottom feeding?

Jets

Just an idea, but each time we add a 0 to KS and the % of allowable attacks be decreased?

Exhibit A, someone 2000ks attacking 1000ks - body positive

Exhibit B, someone 20000ks attacking 10000KS - body shaming.

Exhibit C, 200000ks attacking 100000ks - Lithar 19 style.

On May 20, 2025 at 16:59:16:

My Lord, my Lord, we were invaded by Underdark at Lithar-19! Enemies are upon us. They took everything what they could, our troops were unable to defend our kingdom. We must do something now!

We lost 1 Castle(s) sorrounded by 24 lands.
In this lands are also constructed : 5 Advanced Training Center , 13 Farm , 4 Forge , 11 Guard House , 0 Guard Tower , 51 House , 13 Market , 0 Medical Center , 12 Mill , 12 Mine , 0 School , 6 Training Center ,

We managed to kill : 0 Knight 4 Infantry 6 Pikeman 0 Heavy Infantry 6 Archer 0 Mounted Archers

But we lost : 9 Shadow Warrior 16 Rusher 24 Slother 9 Wolf Master 16 Slinger 9 Axe Thrower

As you can see he happily bottomfed for a castle, I just believe that at over 10000ks it should be reduced to 40% rather than 50%. Perhaps at 25000ks 30%, just a thought.

Leo

Jets

Well, i keep getting adviced of doing this doing that about the things i find not fitting in the game.
Since it is the common pratice around my advice to you to don't leave your kingdom undefended. With 300 troops and you would've gained a retal. But you had what 100 maybe less.

Jets

Also, I'd like to share

Retaliation Rights
Leader. Remaining days
Fakir Of Kingalhao in Lithar #1 4
Leo Of Underdark in Lithar #19 29

Both of which were just shy of double my size. 25 hours is not enough time to recover, then bottom fed again. Since 1/2 of the game is an alliance and beating individuals down, what is the point of not to be farmferr? I love attacking and pissing people off. I just attack at my level or above because that's who I am. Getting smacked with without a castle "kafir" I only lost 4 land but still it was worth the bottom feed for them I guess.

Obviously the pace will be slower with a real round and I love helping balance the game to be fun. This is the only time I really think, yay, super fun....love this. So that is why I decided to finally say something.

Love y'all! For science!

saadht

Jets

“I feel like it's okay if someone wants to drive fast and take chance, but if you want to be smart and methodical....that's fine too. As both you and @Lord Thane have been speaking too, this game isn't to be catered to one person's style of gameplay, but to make a strategy game based on decisions and repecutions.”

I don’t feel like the game should be catered to your style, uphitting or hitting just at your KS. If it was meant that way, hitting below 20% would be illegal. Some people like to uphit some people like to hit kd’s they know to be empty because they full send every hit. In the famous words of a whiner, “make a strategy game based on decisions and repecutions(sic)”

Jets

Leo at least you admit that you bottom feed, I respect that.

Leo

Jets

See below earlier this round i did the same thing and you defended perfectly. Why it was not a problem back then?

Quoting you: "90% of the game is a balance, 10% is risk taking 😂. I don't see a food problem. I see a farm solution"

I don't see a bottomfeeding problem. I see a keeping some troops home solution.

On May 18, 2025 at 07:53:13:

My Lord, our troops fought with all versus Independence at Lithar-7 , but we were unable to invade. We had bloody falls in battle and we were unable to stand firm in battle, we were obligated to retire from the field.

We managed to kill : 5 Shadow Warrior 82 Rusher 0 Slother 0 Wolf Master 0 Slinger 47 Axe Thrower

But we lost : 2 Knight 36 Infantry 22 Pikeman 4 Heavy Infantry 36 Archer 6 Mounted Archers

Jets

saadht yeah 20%, words are important

saadht

Jets

What you don't get is that once you get hit when you're empty, the other kd gains a bunch of KS and you lose a bunch of KS. Evaluating after the hit and saying "oh he was double" is bullshit, and you know it.

After losing half your KD, you're 11k and after gaining a free castle, Leo is 23k. Therefore, before this has happened, the difference was not 50%.

Words do matter, my friend.

Jets

saadht let me put it on a way we all understand! Okay so you're dating your sister right? You're 18 but she is 9, Grandma is really going to wonder about that age difference right? But maybe you're 36 and she is 18? Sure, it's legal but that age difference just don't seem right, only grandpa gets a hard on from that. Now, you're 36 and she is 28, now your parents can say. You know, it's okay if you want to date your sister.

That's really clear right?

saadht

Jets

What are you on about? I think you've lost it, gone completely senile, or are talking from personal experience. I don't know about all that shit man.

Jets

saadht what I'm really saying is, if you were 100 dating your 50 year old sister. It's frowned upon as you would be a gold digger. Get it now?

Lord Thane

Jets

Lord Thane I knew you'd get a laugh out of my cantankerous analogy. Much respect 😂. It's one of my more clever ways of saying the 50% rule works until it doesn't. And that's around the 20-25k KS range "in my humble opinion". At which point, I do believe that a reduced percentage would not only reduce the distance of bottomfeeding but allows for a little more bloodshed with comparable armies.

trupheus

Meow

saadht

Jets

Well, I don't know what they do in your neck of the woods, never heard such an absurd story. Sorry for your experiences bro.

Lord Thane

Jets the real problem is getting everyone to agree to a fix, because half the ppl say "this is how thardferr is", and the other half want more casual play.

Idk how we can make it so everyone is happy. I would want something simple, like a sliding nerf/buff scale. If you hit -1% below your ks, you get -1% attack damages, if you hit +1% your ks then you get a buff +1% attack damages. We could make it affect casualties too, idk.

Idk if we should be encouraging "hitting up" tho either. The castle defense rule kind of already makes that easier, idk how much weaker we should be nerfing players up top.

It's like being in first place on Mario Kart. The only bonuses you get are useless coins 😭

TheKeeper

Lord Thane I know how (sadly) run "classic version" and other with QoL

Jets

Lord Thane @TheKeeper I personally only agree with nerfing below, if someone can hit up without advantage and win, they still have the nerf if they retal back down. I feel like that's the fair balance. I am mostly concerned when we run a 6 month round and we are well into our 100k's. It's not longer a day or two bounce back of 20-30 land but weeks of 200-300 land.

trupheus

Lord Thane

Uh oh. You mean we can’t all be happy?

What aboot half of all deaths are converted to injured and injured troops heal at double your train rate for the unit? Makes it impossible to be zeroed out. Attacking and defending isn’t as costly.

Keep med centers double their efficiency so you only need 1:1 for 20%. Med centers are insta healed.

So now when defending if someone bfs you and your entire army is home you have ₈₀% exposed to battle. All of it dies. 20% revived by hopefully more viable MCs. 25% injured. So you still have potentially 65% of your army even though assassinator hit you.

As the attacker this is reduced when attacking below 90% of your KS.

Lord Thane

Maybe we should run a poll on this and see what people think, I'll post it.

Lord Thane

trupheus I like the idea of buffing MCs.

Jets

trupheus I can't believe you used to be my enemy...now...still enemies but friendly 💝