Improvement suggestions (but still keeping the Thardferr cool)

trupheus

Light bulb. What if there was a way to tell?

Add in a "war party". Sends like a KM. You say what you're contributing and who hits first. Those are the only want to take retals. So if a random makes the hit, you don't get to retal.

Dang it, I just talked myself out of my idea because it would be so easy to hit and castle pass right away so that the retal can never be taken.

Lord Thane

trupheus I'm starting to think there's no fix for this, it's like the 3 body problem, but for asshole gamers.

Maybe getting rid of retals entirely really is the only fix. Then there's no pre-re. Without pre-re, there's not really any advantage to castle pass...

I guess we need to put it up for vote, time to kill retals lol

Doh, I just reminded myself from a previous comment about the downside to removing retals, which is people will suicide and castle pass for protection. Always a catch with every idea, because ppl will find a way to exploit it.

CyberPtra

Lord Thane
Thoughts on my post in the other thread?

trupheus

Lord Thane

Our very own Kobayashi Maru. This is a no win situation. I think the great creators of the game need to figure out what they want. Tell the community to deal with it.

Lord Thane

CyberPtra it's a no for me, way too out of the box, war wouldn't be recognizable 😵‍💫

CyberPtra

Lord Thane
Fair enough. I did say it was an out of the box idea ;p

Lord Thane

trupheus maybe this is the ticket:
https://forum.thardferr.com/d/253-consequent-attacks-on-same-tick/13

Sayer

Lord Thane What of attacks were no longer instant. "My lord, scouts have reported a large enemy force heading in this direction. They estimate that on their current course they could reach our kingdoms outer walls in under 12 days"

Give people some time to prep, send out army and give away a castle to keep losses low, cast spells, etc etc. Someone attacking would be left with less defense but there would be no immediate indicator with land/castle changes in KHoF. If it takes 18-24 hours for troops to return home, half of that would be marching toward the enemy kingdom.

Then you could add some in process strategy if your intel was off and its too late to pull back completely. Something like "early retreat" to take no losses or mid battle strategies if army comps suddenly change from last intel.

Dramatic changes, but could be fun

Lord Thane

Sayer that sounds really fun, adds lots of interesting dynamics. I wonder how badly it might deter people from sending attacks though - not knowing if the defender has generals coming back that might mess things up, or worrying about them building enough defense to overcome the attack.

It has good merit for continued discussion though, figuring out how people would abuse it, what safeguards we can come up with to keep it fair and also how it can encourage attackers to make attacks.

Leo

Sayer

https://forum.thardferr.com/d/71-idea-to-avoid-losing-everything-after-defending/3

I also mentioned this back in time. This is a major change in code and needs lot of coding i guess.

trupheus

Jaxx

Can confirm devs get fkd.

Sayer

I prefer my dopamine hits to be instant.

This does have me thinking about variable army return times. everyone defaults at 24, then via technology capable of unlocking variable army return time called Marching Orders. This tech gives players the option to select an army return rate as quick as 3 and as long as 18. Once Marching Orders is unlocked, the total upkeep cost of an attack is based on 18 hours, but if you choose a time less than 18 hours, the cost per tick is increased. Generals are not affected by this, they refuse to march faster.

example, I send out an army that after the battle has an upkeep of 100 food and 100 iron over 18 ticks. With the new tech, I am able to speed that up to 3. Marching Orders have to be given when the attack is sent.

AAAAAAAAAAND with this make gate elf only.

Sayer

Lord Thane I think it would make truesights much more valuable. You'd almost need to scout an opponent over time to get a good read on numbers.

Would also make change efficacy of castle passing. Maybe retal rights have quicker march time due to bloodlust

Jaxx

Im enjoying some of these ideas. I think the future of warzone could be shorter rounds with different rules. One with instant attacks, the other one with these new suggestions, etc.

Hard to code, but fk the devs right?

Sayer

trupheus Larger windows of armies being gone isnt something I woukd change. Would make taking down top circle jerks even tougher

trupheus

Sayer

Gate exists ergo late round army travel time doesn’t matter. Unless you’re at the top and farming your face off you want to have your army out most of the time then gate to make a hit.

Sayer

trupheus I dont disagree with gate being elf only. Atm elf is almost farm only at this point anyway

trupheus

Assuming there’s going to be some more changes coming in before the round. When will they be posted?

Lord Thane

trupheus I spent today beefing up admin tools for multi detection system. Other than the fodder bias issue I don't think there anymore major changes to do... Minor tweaks to make castle spoils chancified when winning by slim margins should go in. Don't think there's much more, but maybe we'll need to take a look at recent polls to see if there's more items to add to the list. Should just be very minor things from here on, unless we reach consensus about CLI 😬

skigglez

Lord Thane
Can you put that up to a vote? Even if it turns out to not work, i think most players would want to see what no castle passing looks like for a round

Jets

skigglez nah. I enjoy the castle pass. It is the soul of thardferr

skigglez

Jets

I think you’re in the minority of players. It becomes a strictly political game with the biggest circle jerk winning. As someone who plays with a very small group of people I can confirm it is a horrendous experience. Good luck attracting new players if castles passing sticks around.

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