Baby Billy's Battle Bonkers

Xliest

trupheus how much did you send and how much was defending? The losses seem low for a castle win battle. Even at this size.

trupheus

Ah yes finally the bloodshed. 185 buildings taken on 18 land.

This also completely zeroed out what I had at home. I know there’s been much discussion around that. I thought only 70% was being used to defend?

On April 24, 2025 at 16:05:12:

My Lord, my Lord, we were invaded by Court of the Ocean at Lithar-3! Enemies are upon us. They took everything what they could, our troops were unable to defend our kingdom. We must do something now!

We lost 1 Castle(s) sorrounded by 18 lands.
In this lands are also constructed : 3 Advanced Training Center , 19 Farm , 9 Forge , 15 Guard House , 1 Guard Tower , 69 House , 15 Market , 0 Medical Center , 30 Mill , 17 Mine , 1 School , 6 Training Center ,

We managed to kill : 15 Shadow Warrior 70 Rusher 92 Slother 15 Wolf Master 76 Slinger 0 Axe Thrower

But we lost : 0 Catapult 100 Infantry 135 Militia 0 Rider 273 Rock thrower 0 Balista

Xliest

trupheus will we be getting our doubled losses added back into the returning troops or have to start building again from scratch?
@Lord Thane , @TheKeeper ?

Xliest

Troops returning vs losses does not add up correct!!

@trupheus i did send quite a bit enough to kill everything that was killed. 70% should kick in though I agree

Xliest

It looks like it calculated double the losses from the battle report vs the troops returning, does that seem accurate @trupheus on your end too?

Could be an easy fix maybe?

Jets

Xliest yes this is correct

Jets

trupheus it literally gave me the biggest smile to see a real battle report! For science!

Jets

Jets I can confirm 100% of my troops were burned and planted in the back field.

Xliest

Also it makes sence that some amount of buildings more than what was just on the land lost would be destroyed however an even larger percentage should be destroyed in the transfer of land, usually you would only get around 75% +/- 10-20% of the buildings that were on the land, in this instance I got all of them so my max build is now -5, (at least that part works.)

Xliest

Honestly maybe there should be a script that says when you are attacked you defend with the full force but only loose up to 70% and the attacker has some amount of surviving troops equal to the amount of damage the 30% that lived would deal? I dunno if that makes sense but something to think about.

Otherwise that battle seems like a real life working BR, except possibly the 0’ing of the defender and the troops returning being 2x less than losses.

Darteye

Xliest if people defended with full force everyone would just farm...cause u can never over come a full force farmed player without a team...

Lord Thane

Xliest that's kind of what I was trying to accomplish with phased casualty caps, I wanted to make attacking/defending more player/army friendly and balance the battle phases to be more realistic = long range has least casualties as it's used to thin the ranks, short-range skirmish has slightly higher casualties as the battle heats up, melee phase has highest casualties.

But, I guess the current battle mechanics is closer to old-Thardferr. People will just need to be more strategic about managing protection/retals/castle-passing, and careful about getting their armies zeroed @_@

As things are going currently, I think in a real round I would just build 100% archers as a elf and count on being able to obliterate enemies in the ranged phases of battle lol

Xliest

Lord Thane heh, I don’t like that so much. But there is obviously room for work still before we go to any rounds. The cap is a good idea. But it would probably be tricky to code I bet? And would require some fine balance. Anyways, I got your server fees covered for this month. Enjoy!

Darteye

Lord Thane or we make strategies better...like have a rock paper scissor available. Also would support truesighting people to see what strat would work best to attack. maybe force people to have balanced armies. i think old Thard had caps or some kinda diminishing returns on ranged.

Think about it, hitting a blob of units is easy, once they thin out ur chance of hit will go down making it harder to attrit the force.

Dont know how i would make this into a program or scale it but basically as range attrits the other force they become less effective.

Lord Thane

Xliest I had the phased caps idea running a couple days ago, if you scroll up in this thread you can see the progression of battle casualties from testing. I hit Trupheous like 20 times fine tuning it lol. We removed it though, in favor of sticking to the old Thardferr style casualties (I guess? I can't remember getting zeroed out so easily before).

Jules

Darteye It was a 50% fudge factor. All range damage was actually halved, and with the Range Tech then it'd be as per the unit guide at 100%.

Darteye

Lord Thane i do remember getting zerod but it was rare and i dont think it ever happened with my actual army home

Xliest

Darteye yes getting zeroed when you had army out was a thing I don’t know the mechanics behind it though. But the randomness usually allowed for some small percentacge of survivors maybe it was based on KS or something where the larger you were vs how much army you had defending you would lose more… I dunno

trupheus

It does look like the losses displayed is halved. Which begs the question which is correct? Were real losses double or should we have more troops returning home?

Xliest

trupheus ya that’s the million dollar question, I’m sure someone will confirm eventually

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