Baby Billy's Battle Bonkers

Jets

Jets I can confirm 100% of my troops were burned and planted in the back field.

Xliest

Also it makes sence that some amount of buildings more than what was just on the land lost would be destroyed however an even larger percentage should be destroyed in the transfer of land, usually you would only get around 75% +/- 10-20% of the buildings that were on the land, in this instance I got all of them so my max build is now -5, (at least that part works.)

Jets

Xliest yes this is correct

Xliest

Honestly maybe there should be a script that says when you are attacked you defend with the full force but only loose up to 70% and the attacker has some amount of surviving troops equal to the amount of damage the 30% that lived would deal? I dunno if that makes sense but something to think about.

Otherwise that battle seems like a real life working BR, except possibly the 0’ing of the defender and the troops returning being 2x less than losses.

Darteye

Xliest if people defended with full force everyone would just farm...cause u can never over come a full force farmed player without a team...

Lord Thane

Xliest that's kind of what I was trying to accomplish with phased casualty caps, I wanted to make attacking/defending more player/army friendly and balance the battle phases to be more realistic = long range has least casualties as it's used to thin the ranks, short-range skirmish has slightly higher casualties as the battle heats up, melee phase has highest casualties.

But, I guess the current battle mechanics is closer to old-Thardferr. People will just need to be more strategic about managing protection/retals/castle-passing, and careful about getting their armies zeroed @_@

As things are going currently, I think in a real round I would just build 100% archers as a elf and count on being able to obliterate enemies in the ranged phases of battle lol

Xliest

Lord Thane heh, I don’t like that so much. But there is obviously room for work still before we go to any rounds. The cap is a good idea. But it would probably be tricky to code I bet? And would require some fine balance. Anyways, I got your server fees covered for this month. Enjoy!

Darteye

Lord Thane or we make strategies better...like have a rock paper scissor available. Also would support truesighting people to see what strat would work best to attack. maybe force people to have balanced armies. i think old Thard had caps or some kinda diminishing returns on ranged.

Think about it, hitting a blob of units is easy, once they thin out ur chance of hit will go down making it harder to attrit the force.

Dont know how i would make this into a program or scale it but basically as range attrits the other force they become less effective.

Lord Thane

Xliest I had the phased caps idea running a couple days ago, if you scroll up in this thread you can see the progression of battle casualties from testing. I hit Trupheous like 20 times fine tuning it lol. We removed it though, in favor of sticking to the old Thardferr style casualties (I guess? I can't remember getting zeroed out so easily before).

Jules

Darteye It was a 50% fudge factor. All range damage was actually halved, and with the Range Tech then it'd be as per the unit guide at 100%.

Xliest

trupheus will we be getting our doubled losses added back into the returning troops or have to start building again from scratch?
@Lord Thane , @TheKeeper ?

Darteye

Lord Thane i do remember getting zerod but it was rare and i dont think it ever happened with my actual army home

Xliest

Darteye yes getting zeroed when you had army out was a thing I don’t know the mechanics behind it though. But the randomness usually allowed for some small percentacge of survivors maybe it was based on KS or something where the larger you were vs how much army you had defending you would lose more… I dunno

trupheus

It does look like the losses displayed is halved. Which begs the question which is correct? Were real losses double or should we have more troops returning home?

Xliest

trupheus ya that’s the million dollar question, I’m sure someone will confirm eventually

Lord Thane

I added a fix for this buildings issue, capped buildings gains at 10 per land max, also added entropy for building destruction 🙂

Here's a demonstration of before/after this change, attacks:
We won 1 Castle(s) sorrounded by 10 lands.
In this lands are also constructed : 0 Advanced Training Center , 12 Farm , 3 Forge , 10 Guard House , 0 Guard Tower , 40 House , 8 Market , 0 Medical Center , 16 Mill , 10 Mine , 0 School , 2 Training Center

After:
We won 1 Castle(s) sorrounded by 10 lands.
In this lands are also constructed : 0 Advanced Training Center , 9 Farm , 1 Forge , 8 Guard House , 0 Guard Tower , 26 House , 5 Market , 0 Medical Center , 9 Mill , 6 Mine , 0 School , 1 Training Center

Before I got 101 buildings from 10 lands, after the change I got 65 buildings from 10 lands. With entropy factor I could have gotten 60-80 buildings.

Also just noticed it says "sorrounded", was that typo always there? Lol

Xliest

Lord Thane perfect! I love how that works!

Does it leave the defender with more buildings ie -max build? Or are they completely destroyed?
There used to be some collateral where the defender would lose some amount more buildings between 1 and five acres worth as the KS and total land increased. So someone on 20 land would lose 5 land and have 10 buildings destroyed on their 15 remaining and some one with 200 land would have between 20 and 40 buildings destroyed it helped with fixing ratios back to what the defender wanted also! Not just a pure negative affect.

TheKeeper

Lord Thane Yes, I kept that from the original game XD

I could add the concept of "Evasion/Accuracy" to Thardferr, it would give new depths to the game and each unit could have a different parameter.

Xliest

TheKeeper let’s get things working fully before we make balance changes.

trupheus

Is protection different? I remember castle hits would give 18 hours before? I think I got 15.

Again, completely 0'd out what I had at home (probably fitting, but does not feel good)

And then the really fun part, I am -39 buildings available.

On April 25, 2025 at 02:21:22:

My Lord, my Lord, we were invaded by Independence at Lithar-3! Enemies are upon us. They took everything what they could, our troops were unable to defend our kingdom. We must do something now!

We lost 1 Castle(s) sorrounded by 21 lands.
In this lands are also constructed : 0 Advanced Training Center , 13 Farm , 8 Forge , 12 Guard House , 0 Guard Tower , 59 House , 12 Market , 0 Medical Center , 25 Mill , 11 Mine , 0 School , 3 Training Center ,

We managed to kill : 28 Shadow Warrior 54 Rusher 0 Slother 18 Wolf Master 47 Slinger 39 Axe Thrower

But we lost : 6 Catapult 45 Infantry 92 Militia 0 Rider 98 Rock thrower 6 Balista

Xliest

trupheus And then the really fun part, I am -39 buildings available.

@Lord Thane is aware of this, I'm pretty sure I mentioned it earlier to ensure that this did not happen... as i anticipated it would.

Lord Thane

trupheus did you get more buildings than listed in your report? The report pasted looks good for #'s.

I just ran a test attack and got 1 land, came with 5 buildings built. Checked my Buildings section and it checked out good - 5 new buildings installed and 5 open slots for new buildings.

Was your building overage already there? I didn't make any fix for previous overages, the fix was just for new attacks.

Edit: oops, I see now that was a defense. Yeah looks like a bug, you only lost the buildings from the report and didn't lose the buildings that should have been burned from the attack lol. I'll look into that tomorrow 🙏

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