Did I get him or he got me?

xiAo-Shin Star

FriendsInSpace
Let's say I don't have schools, what's the difference and benefits that will help me win on that BR I posted? Consider I am already 197k ks and he is 80% of my ks. If I put that schools to my Guard House then I won't be able to reach him, his no longer 80% of my KS. Does that help me fight even/fair against other races with same KS same GHs?

FriendsInSpace

xiAo-Shin Star if you deleted all your schools and wizards, you would drop down to likely 150k ks. Schools and wizards falsely inflate your ks, making you think you're stronger than you are.

10k wizards is like 30k ks. And schools give more ks than most buildings.

skigglez

FriendsInSpace
Just stop, it’s pointless. He thinks he’s doing it correctly, let him do his thing. I’m done trying to help because they’re so convinced they’re right. I hope Thane buffs undead because it’s so bad, we undead players need help

xiAo-Shin Star

FriendsInSpace
I don't know how you calculate things. My basis here is GH vs GH. Not the KS or Schools. If he has more GH its no doubt he won. But if he has less GH than mine and no Barracks, how fked up Undead is, can't even win against TC units. lol.
If we both has the same GH, then that would be a fair hard fight, but still calculating my ATC and my fodders against TC, thats even more fked, how the hell Legion do their job.

trupheus

FriendsInSpace

Had to test this. 1 elf wiz (assume same for all races) is .5 KS.

I’m almost done compiling the list of what every building gives for KS. It might lead to some interesting discussion.

FriendsInSpace

xiAo-Shin Star never mind. Good luck man.

Enphetamy

FriendsInSpace lol. I felt that resignation over here man.

xiAo-Shin Star

FriendsInSpace
I know mate, I get what your pointing out, and I do agree with your style. The no schools Undead. I mean that would be great. But that feels like playing Gnome. I rather play Gnome than play Undead if we talk about having no Schools for sure I get high chance fighting with all the races. For Undead, I don't think that is possible.

skigglez

FriendsInSpace
Honestly I think the best way to make undead playable is to make legion immune to all sources of damage. It will make them more balanced against all races. Also make them a 10/10 with no weapon or gold cost/upkeep. Try that out and then we can see what further buffs are required to make @xiAo-Shin Star be able to successfully pilot the race.

King Haybol

Excuse me! Can you sell me MPs? I needed gold to feed my troops. Thanks. 😍😍😍

Muh Dude

skigglez Can confirm. Got my shit rocked by this undead. Bounced my "op" dwarf ass like it was nothing. And the follow up. And then took both retals.. Quite impressive really

xiAo-Shin Star

OMG! My Legion, your not doing your job properly. Are you all drunk!?

They took everything what they could, our troops were unable to defend our kingdom. We must do something now!

We lost 1 Castle(s) sorrounded by 30 lands.
In this lands are also constructed : 16 Advanced Training Center , 17 Farm , 20 Forge , 38 Guard House , 0 Guard Tower , 82 House , 29 Market , 7 Medical Center , 10 Mill , 30 Mine , 31 School , 17 Training Center ,

In this lands also lived 6349 people who left our Kingdom.

We managed to kill : 335 Mage 275 Swordman 232 Lanceman 76 Caragous 397 Archer 547 Elite Archer

But we lost : 702 Dark Knight 11013 Skeletal Legion 749 Wraith Pikeman 579 Abomination Caragous 902 Phantom Archer 889 Wraith Rider

skigglez

xiAo-Shin Star
I agree with you, Undead sucks - it needs big buffs to damage. Make legion immune to short ranged damage and do double damage vs mounted as a start. And make the swarm strat do full damage, not nerfed for sharper blades. Way too weak, we need Undead to be a playable race. Hope the devs see this message and immediately implement these changes.

TheKeeper

skigglez Not immediately, but I'm gathering info for improvements of Undead race, feel free to send me your ideas

FriendsInSpace

TheKeeper I think skigglez is being sarcastic... lol he's in the top 5 and hasn't really faced any threats as undead.

skigglez

TheKeeper
Honestly they seem pretty balanced but the racial tech is absolute trash. 175 hours for 1 range feels really bad imo. That’s my only criticism so far. Maybe gold upkeeps are a tad high but the market compensates for that. Haven’t really tested the caragous at all because i see caragous and assume it’s ass. Maybe not making the caragous mounted to cut the cost a bit and not have 3 mounted units? All the thoughts i have right now, if I think of anything else i will let you know.

skigglez

FriendsInSpace
Correct - sarcasm.

xiAo-Shin Star

skigglez
Your so mean...

Konkistador

@TheKeeper My 5 cents:

Undead range/short is poor:
Replace caragous by a new unit🙁no one uses or who does just waste resources)
Replacement:
Necromancers: 1Cursed Lance or bow+ 1 armour, for 1 defence and 1 range or short damage. Low cost and weak unit giving the necromancy feel to the race.
Eco what is mentioned earlier 175h research time for the racial tech 1 short or range damage is quite disappointing. Necromancy powers for the dark Knight would be more suitable. Like a 100% survival rate on a chances basis. Variance between 0-100%.
Change to the Swarm of Death strategy.
Restore so the blades recent change to still apply for skeletons as it did for all races including on this strategy.
SL to skip range and short damage.
SL to receive 50% additional damage.
All units receive little to no extra damage.
This being a Swarm of death where you send SL to death.
Replacing caragous with another more expensive unit but again with range or short damage.
Making traing speeds faster for other units. Apart of SL others are very slow.

xiAo-Shin Star

Add a short range immunity for the SL, so they can do their job as a fodder.

Thecatman

You cant just make SL immune to everything lol they have a hard counter in orc, thats good, thats healthy for the game. Undead counters ranged armies very well, probably better than any other race in the game. If you Undead players had more ranged players to target you would be feeling much better about them.

skigglez

Thecatman
Don't even bother - no matter what you say there's an excuse for why it's out of their control. They had the same issue with Orc - that race sucked too when R8 got demolished. There's no helping them - just let them do their own thing. they are incapable of taking feedback.

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