Important Battle/Play Style Poll For Pre-Re/Castle-Pass

Thecatman

You guys need to explain it to me because to me making 7 attacks right out of protection is still possible? Sure you get 30 hours of pro but with the system right now just add one more player to the mix and castle pass and you still get pro so how's it different?

Leo

lifelessace
Why would i do that? I could if want to but better i would cycle this again for another province member. Lets say human. 5 generals. Gets to 155 land 6 castles. And cycle it enough time to get 4-5 strong KDs in very short time.

lifelessace

Leo
What prevents you from doing that right now?

saadht

lifelessace

No sir. Right now I pass a castle to my friend, I get immunity but he can still be hit for his castle. In CLI B, my friend who just received my castle has immunity from losing it. Anybody who hits him only gets land. We continue this charade nobody can gain a castle from the bigger friend of mine for as much time as I’m in protection. All he needs is a good field glass and farseeing, you hit him he loses 5-10 lands gains back before he’s OOP. He’s back to where he started no consequences whatsoever.

It’s difficult to explain in words I guess and some of our first languages aren’t even English.

It’ll be much easier to show it, just no crying foul and bug abuse, it’s not a bug abuse it’s a design flaw.

Edit: I’m confusing the two, I get a castle pass I get protection. It’s worse.

Leo

lifelessace

Didn't happen last round. But now there is an incentive of not losing 1 castle to a potential enemy and +15 hours protection.

trupheus

Lord Thane you sir are getting feisty. It shows you care.

So in your opinion having 2 kingdoms work together so that neither is going to lose a castle the entire round is “working as intended”?

I left prot with with multiple castles last IP. Someone else does the same thing. Tick out of prot they go 4 I have 2. We continue to build non stop. Then I hit them back I have 4 they have 4 and we just repeat that all round long. No one can ever hit either of us for a castle unless we take an aggressive action or mess up the sequence. It is nothing but coordinated farming the entire round. Maybe feed other kingdoms who do war… and struggle to out grow me because war is wasteful. Maybe i stockpile until the end and then lay waste to all with an entire round of resources saved. Maybe I buy castles off people to boost my own growth while I fuel their silly feuds that only hinder their growth. Wanna talk about castle passing being broken? Imagine castle passing to the top

lifelessace

trupheus
If that's how you want to spend the round, then go for it. The rest of the players who want to actually play the game will do so without having to deal with castle passing. There is no perfect scenario, but I would rather see a round of it implemented to test it out. If you end up being right and it puts the game in a worse spot than before, we can always discuss reverting or other alternatives. The only thing we shouldn't be doing is not explore other options. Just my opinion, could be skewed because i despise the big alliance part of Thard and just want a change.

Lord Thane

trupheus yeah it's frustrating when there's been dozens of hours of discussion on a topic, only to have some jagoffs come along without having spent more than a few minutes considering it before spouting off some illogical bullshit scenarios.

Yeah if 2 people want to perpetually circle jerk each other with CLI all game, sure why not let them, it isn't hurting anybody else. And how are they supposed to "grow to the top" when they have no armies and are constantly losing buildings from attacking each other? And for 3 months they're supposed to keep strict timing of protections? If 2 people do that commitment, they deserve whatever rank they get.

Lord Thane

@lifelessace and @Thecatman hit it right on the head. Any non-retarded person can easily see their "logic" is completely flawed and CLI makes no difference in their scenario.

If the only point you can make against CLI is some moronic scenario that's already possible without CLI, then you haven't actually made any point at all.

xiAo-Shin Star

I like the ideas and CLI thing, but this will surely makes the game boring. You know the excitement when it's your turn to gang bang someone to take your retal, and the excitement when seeing the guy is totally dead, and the feeling, the frustration when this also happens to you.
I like this game because of the mixed emotions that we can let out.

So sorry, I choose no to this.

lifelessace

xiAo-Shin Star
You would have a different opinion if you weren't part of one of the big alliances participating in the gang banging of people that don't have large friend groups in the game.

xiAo-Shin Star

lifelessace

I do understand where your point is. This is why we have Message in game. You don't have allies, your not one of it? Then be one of it. Start looking for one. I get what you mean. As for the new comers, new players. I bet they already know the mechanics of the game before playing, sure enough they'll learn and look for one that they can depend on.

TheKeeper

Lord Thane Well, I have in my queue avoid inter-province attacks, would be a little more difficult to adjust the Leo's scenario

Eri

Boss Cli B is nice but........... wt if KD A is 100k and he KD B 75k.. theres only a slim chance KD
B can win against KD A cause he can retrain more... lets put Kd a and B are same races also..

But if u put buff in KD B. All training , armory , resouces and etc much better.. and Kd B also has - buff in training much better

skigglez

Eri
What in the fuck did I just read lol

Lord Thane

Eri okay, now let's flip the script on your scenario - how is the 75k kd supposed to defend itself against a 100k kd who also has a buddy helping him pre-re you? Now you're double fucked... CLI would at least put you on a 1v1, where your strategy can give you a fighting chance. And the 75k kingdom gets a KS buff to help kill the 100k kd troops faster.

Lord Thane

For the record I really don't care if CLI gets implemented or not. I only worked on it as a benefit to the majority of players who cried for a solution to an old problem.

I put prolly 70 hours into the battle engine and I'm not even going to get to use it. I'm not making any attacks next round because I don't want anyone feeling that they got cheated or abused by admins.

So whether CLI is implemented or not doesn't matter to me, I just want whatever is going to give the best user experience for the majority of players. I will defend CLI against ignorance or misinformation though, because players affected by the decision need to know what they're voting on despite the best efforts of the very players CLI is working against.

Xliest

Lord Thane this is the wrong attitude my dude. If you’re going to play just play by the rules like everyone else. No harm no foul, but if you think that work on the engine has been useless that’s more of a topic of discussion with the lead. Not with the players, reasoning again goes back to what I was saying vision/direction. We can’t be changing things on a macro scale at the whim of a few comments, also why crowdsourcing and voting on ideas doesn’t really work as we’ve seen. It’s going to spit the community, the haves who get their ideas through to implementation and the have-nots who just wanted their fun oldtimey game back with some balance and maybe a well thought out fix for like one or two issues, the game had originally.

Eri

Lord Thane now u say flip the scenario.. im sure 75k cant defend the 100k with pre... but its called karma. Why he hit 100k and much bigger to him.. first place it was a suicide hitting a 100k.. hmm tired talkg english im really bad in english hahahahaha.. i wont argue anymore lolz..

Maybe if u will do cli. Mybe gave a buff when getting a retal against a bigger ks and - buff the bigger ks when defending.. same when attackng lower ks u put penalty when bottom feeding or below 75%

saadht

@Lord Thane

Please dismiss our concerns and allow us to abuse it, but then it’s not an abuse it’s a design flaw and completely legal.

Deal?
It’s much easier to show than explain in words.

Lord Thane

saadht I shouldn't respond to such a dumb response, but sure I'll take the bait.

If you could use this strategy with CLI, why didn't you already use it when there was no CLI? It's 10X easier to use that strategy without CLI in the way.

saadht

Lord Thane

Because the one receiving castles was not getting prot. He could be hit by the others. Now he also gets protection.

Lord Thane

saadht well that's dumb, he could just let one of his buddies hit him for protection, duhhhhhh.

So the circle jerks feed the 1 guy a bunch of castles, then he gives 1 back for protection.

Duhhhhh

saadht

Lord Thane

Not gonna respond, it’s much easier to show than to explain.

Lord Thane

saadht if there was a legitimate flaw for us to consider, I'd be happy to hear it. So far, there's nothing.

CLI doesn't make this made up scenario easier, it makes it harder. CLI doesn't make this scenario possible, it's already currently possible.

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